Mohawk protesters vow to shut down Ontario rail line, highwa
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DerbyX @ Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:17 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
Actually, the British made all the deals before 1867 and apparently it didn't coincide when our fore fathers wanted to create the Dominion of Canada. Now we have the headaches of land claims. After 1867, particularly treaty number 8 and beyond is the newly created government of Canada's blunders.
Sure we can go all the way back to the treaty of Utrect.
The problem is that over the course of the last 300 years treaties have often been ignored or abolished.
Given that we want total control over Canada we should be willing to negotiate with the natives as the only other party and that means recognizing that they have legitimite claims.
I'd rather we do it then others.
Tman1 @ Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:17 pm
Tricks Tricks:
Tman1 Tman1:
Actually, the British made all the deals before 1867 and apparently it didn't coincide when our fore fathers wanted to create the Dominion of Canada. Now we have the headaches of land claims. After 1867, particularly treaty number 8 and beyond is the newly created government of Canada's blunders.
For the sake of clarification, the Canadian government made treaties of their own, correct?Indeed they did, which is why I said after 1867. Before that is the British dealings. Why do you think so many Mohawks are pissed off about treaties during 1830's involving land claims in Ontario, AKA Upper Canada?
Tricks @ Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:18 pm
lily lily:
Tricks Tricks:
lily lily:
So Tricks.... did you ever figure out if Vichy was in fact elected? 
I knew when I asked you. Duh.You never asked me.
Tricks @ Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:18 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
Tricks Tricks:
Tman1 Tman1:
Actually, the British made all the deals before 1867 and apparently it didn't coincide when our fore fathers wanted to create the Dominion of Canada. Now we have the headaches of land claims. After 1867, particularly treaty number 8 and beyond is the newly created government of Canada's blunders.
For the sake of clarification, the Canadian government made treaties of their own, correct?Indeed they did, which is why I said after 1867. Before that is the British dealings. Why do you think so many Mohawks are pissed off about treaties during 1830's involving land claims in Ontario, AKA Upper Canada?
Have the treaties after 1867 been ignored as well?
Tman1 @ Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:21 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
Tman1 Tman1:
Actually, the British made all the deals before 1867 and apparently it didn't coincide when our fore fathers wanted to create the Dominion of Canada. Now we have the headaches of land claims. After 1867, particularly treaty number 8 and beyond is the newly created government of Canada's blunders.
Sure we can go all the way back to the treaty of Utrect.
The problem is that over the course of the last 300 years treaties have often been ignored or abolished.
Given that we want total control over Canada we should be willing to negotiate with the natives as the only other party and that means recognizing that they have legitimite claims.
I'd rather we do it then others.
Yeah but when one party makes the deal and another has neither the inability to follow through with it, or unwilling, what then?
Tman1 @ Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:22 pm
Tricks Tricks:
Tman1 Tman1:
Tricks Tricks:
Tman1 Tman1:
Actually, the British made all the deals before 1867 and apparently it didn't coincide when our fore fathers wanted to create the Dominion of Canada. Now we have the headaches of land claims. After 1867, particularly treaty number 8 and beyond is the newly created government of Canada's blunders.
For the sake of clarification, the Canadian government made treaties of their own, correct?Indeed they did, which is why I said after 1867. Before that is the British dealings. Why do you think so many Mohawks are pissed off about treaties during 1830's involving land claims in Ontario, AKA Upper Canada?
Have the treaties after 1867 been ignored as well?
Probably. Most treaties involved the government making deals with people who didn't know any better by giving up their land with paltry sums. It appears it has now bit them in the ass and now they want compensation for being ignorant.
Tricks @ Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:24 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
Tricks Tricks:
Tman1 Tman1:
Tricks Tricks:
Tman1 Tman1:
Actually, the British made all the deals before 1867 and apparently it didn't coincide when our fore fathers wanted to create the Dominion of Canada. Now we have the headaches of land claims. After 1867, particularly treaty number 8 and beyond is the newly created government of Canada's blunders.
For the sake of clarification, the Canadian government made treaties of their own, correct?Indeed they did, which is why I said after 1867. Before that is the British dealings. Why do you think so many Mohawks are pissed off about treaties during 1830's involving land claims in Ontario, AKA Upper Canada?
Have the treaties after 1867 been ignored as well?
Probably. Most treaties involved the government making deals with people who didn't know any better by giving up their land with paltry sums. It appears it has now bit them in the ass and now they want compensation for being dumb.
DerbyX @ Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:30 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Tman1 Tman1:
Actually, the British made all the deals before 1867 and apparently it didn't coincide when our fore fathers wanted to create the Dominion of Canada. Now we have the headaches of land claims. After 1867, particularly treaty number 8 and beyond is the newly created government of Canada's blunders.
Sure we can go all the way back to the treaty of Utrect.
The problem is that over the course of the last 300 years treaties have often been ignored or abolished.
Given that we want total control over Canada we should be willing to negotiate with the natives as the only other party and that means recognizing that they have legitimite claims.
I'd rather we do it then others.
Yeah but when one party makes the deal and another has neither the inability to follow through with it, or unwilling, what then?
A very good point. Should a newly elected party be forced to adhere to the previous parties treaty.
I would say yes unless there are dire circumstances else no party would have any true legitimacy to conduct law with natives.
Tman1 @ Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:06 pm
Which government?
DerbyX @ Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:14 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
Which government?
My new gov't. DerbyX's Earth Empire!
T'man1 I'll give you a high position. Would you like Australia?
Tman1 @ Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:16 pm
Nah, British inferiority complex that tries to be different because of their climate.
I'll take the Polynesian Islands.
Tricks @ Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:16 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
Tman1 Tman1:
Which government?
My new gov't. DerbyX's Earth Empire!
T'man1 I'll give you a high position. Would you like Australia?
Mr_Canada old @ Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:39 pm
Tricks Tricks:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Tman1 Tman1:
Which government?
My new gov't. DerbyX's Earth Empire!
T'man1 I'll give you a high position. Would you like Australia?
Streaker @ Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:36 am
Tricks Tricks:
lily lily:
Tricks Tricks:
lily lily:
So Tricks.... did you ever figure out if Vichy was in fact elected?
I knew when I asked you. Duh.You never asked me.
Too funny!
tritium @ Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:16 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Canadians, or the "white man", have no respect for Native Canadians....and rightfully so.
I very much take acception to your comment. "Another white trash Canadian being a racist biggot, putting down Indians."
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Not until Natives participate as Canadians such as obeying laws and stop asking for handouts will Canadians stand behind them.
Asking for hand outs
They are asking for what has been promised to them over the years, since we stole their land.
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Native Canadians have a massive amount of benefits. Even with these benefits, they are the least productive group in this Country. High unemployment, poor health, poverty....all self inflicted.
All these land claims are bullshit.
You want to make a difference, tackle the problems in your own community first. Educate your children and take responsibility for yourself and your family. Then, and only then, will Canadians stand behind you.
All these land claims are bullshit.
You want to make a difference, tackle the problems in your own community first. Educate your children and take responsibility for yourself and your family. Then, and only then, will Canadians stand behind you.
Here we go, the Drunken Indian syndrom.
Blame the Indians for their own problems, regardless of the fact we "Canadians" caused them.
1. Indian Residential School Claims
For over 100 years, Canada and various churches operated Indian Residential Schools all across the country. Attendance at these residential boarding schools was compulsory for many aboriginal people. Today, there are approximately 80,000 survivors.
Since the mid 1990s, about 14,000 survivors of "Native Residential Schools" have sought compensation from Canada and various churches for physical, sexual and emotional abuse and for language and cultural losses arising from the survivors' attendance at Residential Schools.
2. Supreme Court rules in favor of Native Indian Land Claims
But the Canadian government has yet to pay compensation.
About Canada's Native Peoples
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