Canada Kicks Ass
Native communities denounce historic treaty

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Newsbot @ Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:08 pm

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<strong>Date: </strong> 2007-10-15 11:31:24
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passthedutchie @ Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:08 pm

This should be no surprise. Native issues will be a growing concern for Canada in the next 5-10 years, especially as environmental concerns grow. Canadians better learn how to get along with the earth's keepers or times will be tough!

   



martin14 @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:26 pm

looks like the govt is using a divide and conquer approach..

cut a deal with a weaker community who really needs it,

and increase pressure on the other groups to lower the bar a bit.

However, it is good to see some of these finally being SOLVED.

it is overdue.

   



TattoodGirl @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:29 pm

martin14 martin14:
looks like the govt is using a divide and conquer approach..

cut a deal with a weaker community who really needs it,

and increase pressure on the other groups to lower the bar a bit.

However, it is good to see some of these finally being SOLVED.

it is overdue.


I really wouldnt consider Tsawwassen First Nations a weak community. Quite more powerful than most think actually.

   



passthedutchie @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:41 pm

lily lily:
That and they didn't "really need it".

I have mixed feelings about it, which means it's probably a fair deal. ;)


I used to have mixed feelings, and to an extent I still do. But the funny thing is as I do more research into native issues, I find that there is a dark history, much darker than I first imagined. Canadians should be moving toward a proper reconciliation with our indigenous peoples.

   



saturn_656 @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:54 pm

So by the time this is all said and done will BC still be a part of Canada? Considering that over 100% of it is being claimed and all.

Will a minority of people end up owning the majority of the territory?

   



saturn_656 @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:07 pm

I did not mention personal property anywhere in my post (although that is another issue that could be discussed to no end)?

I was asking about who will have legal title (right) to the land? These treaties usually involve rights to so many square kilometers of land. Given the number of treaties that will be negotiated, will the minority end up having title over the majority of the territory?

   



HyperionTheEvil @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:21 pm

Arent Indians always denouncing or blackading something or other?

   



saturn_656 @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:34 pm

lily lily:
If you weren't talking about personal property, then what is your point? Why would you think "when all is said and done" B.C. might not be a part of Canada?

FYI - Tsawwassen is still Canadian land.


It was tongue in cheek... the main point I wanted answered is that once these disputes are all settled, will a minority section of the population have control, right, title, and/or ownership over a vast swath of BC.

No one has answered that yet (perhaps no one knows), so I'll keep asking anyway.

   



saturn_656 @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:47 pm

lily lily:
First rule of negotiation - ask for the stars, settle for the moon.

The land claims NEED to be settled.


I wouldn't sign away my backyard much less any stellar real estate (I have a hard time with collective or so called "group rights"), but ok.

So if a minority section of the population ends up with rights over a vastly disproportionate sized slice of BC, you see that as a fair price to be paid so to speak?

   



uwish @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:14 pm

they have been getting more than trinkets for the past 30 years.....tired of giving them away

   



sasquatch2 @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:33 pm

$1:
the earth's keepers
?????

Do you mean the guys who clear cutted in Alberta and then found the undersized trees could not be sold in Alberta so hauled them to BC? Then whinned about discrimination because BC condemned their trucks for mechanical defects and overloads and load security?

Or did you mean the guys with the nets and power boats, catching tons of unsalable salmon and then watching it rot?

   



ShepherdsDog @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:46 pm

$1:
the earth's keepers

Somebody has been reading waaaaay too much fantasy. They didn't exploit the environment any less than their lack of technology allowed them to. It was only because they were a mesolithic culture that they had such a minor impact on their surroundings. Look in the few areas that Amerinds actually developed a civilization above the hunter gatherer level and you'll see that they, like other humans, had a dramatic and negative effect on the local ecology. Why do you think the Olmec, Toltec and Maya city states collapsed....alien intervention?



$1:
the earth's keepers

pfffffffff

   



uwish @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:32 pm

lily lily:
uwish uwish:
they have been getting more than trinkets for the past 30 years.....tired of giving them away

What have they been getting that they aren't owed?


I can't believe you said that, I owe them shit, my family owes them shit and I couldn't give a dockey's left testicle what the people 120 years ago did. Suck it up princess and move on

So when does it stop? after we have paid 50 billion for less than 1 million Canadians?

grow up and stop perpetuating the willing victim!!

   



sasquatch2 @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:38 pm

So are you going to give England back to Denmark?

Half of France and Sicily back to Norway?

Palestine back to France? Remember Outre-Mer?

Finland and a big part of Russia back to Sweden?

Pretty much all of Asia back to Mongolia?

Most of Europe and North Africa back to Italy?

Spain and Portugal back to Morocco?

Spain would like Latin America and the South West US back!

   



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