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<strong>Title: </strong> <a href="/link.php?id=14891" target="_blank">One-fifth of Canadians support torture to save lives</a> (click to view)

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<strong>Posted By: </strong> <a href="/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&username=Hyack" target="_blank">Hyack</a>
<strong>Date: </strong> 2006-10-19 10:25:30
<strong>Canadian</strong>

   

Oh dear, we are only 4th in Anti-Torture? Damn propaganda.

Israel.... Um.... Wow.

   

That's 1/5 too many.

   

If we allow the p[olice to use torture it is only a matter of time until someone is accidentally killed, therefore the argument is mute.

   

"We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". George Orwell

   

Of course what Orwell doesn't touch on is what about the innocents that get harmed along the way?

Collateral damage? A neccessary evil?

Our society is founded upon the principles that its better to let 1000 guilty go free then destroy a single innocent life.

A fact a believe is now lost upon you conservatives and your "war" on terror.

"If you become the people you are fighting against then you have already lost" -- DerbyX

   

It all comes down to the question, and the situation. How dirty is the person being tortured and how many lives will be saved. In addition, we never know everything and there is always a time limit. I am much more confidant that the forces of the west are more humane than our opponents.
You may feel different and maybe Iggy will agree with you this time.

   

Ahhh you just couldn't resist launching an attack against the liberals when we were discussing something unrelated.

Yet another reminder that you are so driven by anti-liberal hatred that it consumes you.

It must really cheeze you off that the "leaderless" Liberals have somehow drawn even in the polls eh?

At this point we could nominate Bubbles and win a majhority eh!

BTW, The entire point is that we don't seem to care whether they are innocent or not anymore.

Thats the entire point behind gitmo. How many are innocent?

You just seem to assume that anybody captured or killed by
"our side" is 110% guilty and deserves no such thing as humane treatment.

I hope that some off-hand remark you make isn't interpreted wrongly somehow!

Osama would be proud of you. You are doing exactly what he wants. You are making the war between "us" and "them" exactly as they want us/them defined.

Good on ya mate.

   

Excellent Point

   

You torture someone badly enough and in the right way and they'll tell you exactly what you want to hear. Torture is an inefficient method of extracting information and is simply used to fulfill sadist desires along the lines of revenge. Give me examples of when, where and how torture has given up useful information that has saved countless lives and then I'll consider supporting it. Till then, the assholes in Gitmo can keep their fingernails.

   

It's a poll.
If the question had an innocent person (who had valuable information reguarding terrorists?), I'm sure the numbers would have been very different and there would be no tantalizing little story for the bored losers at the Vancouver Sun.

It would also appear that you are the one who started this down the political road with

If you want to win the moral high ground over a misleading poll question, fill you're boots.

   

Thankfully, the clear majority of Canadians are smart enough not to buy into this "torture is good" argument that Bush has sold, and pushed through congress.

This "what if" argument that has been used :

What if a terrorist was caught and he knew there was a ticking time-bomb that was set to go off in 2 hours... then would we let people die, or do what it takes to get the information?

... complete rubbish, and so rediculous that to think people are so dumb enough as to buy into this load of shit it makes me sick. It really shows how easily convinced people can be when you play on their fears after years of psychological abuse through fear-mongering.

Good-bye American Republic... Hello Fascist State!

   

.. and here you go playing the same "what if" game for you're side. What does that prove?

I just finished reading: Donaghy, Greg "A War of Patrols: Canadian Army Operations in Korea", and there was a great push to capture enemy troops, as a primary source of information. Even then, North Korea was very secretive and this was one of the only ways to get information on the enemy.
(shock and horor... our Canadian peacekeepers capturing the enemy, against their will...) There was never reference to torture but we did the same from the trenches of WW1 to today.

I agree with you that you can make people say whatever you want but that's the difference between seeking information and goulish sadism.

   

Canadian Cahrter of Rights and Freedoms Section 12

12. Everyone has the right not to be subjected to any cruel and unusual treatment or punishment.

   

You guys just pick and choose whatever "wars" and points thereof suit your position.

You cannot compare the Korean war with the current ones. First off, the KW wasn't religious per se but political and fought before we were both born.

Why not add in the war of the roses?

Torture is inherently self defeating. Its unreliable unless corroborated and it is very real that anyone can be tortured into admitting anything.

A fact that forms the basis behind our police interrogation laws.

You are completely ignoring my entire point because you seem to think that all torture is iden tical to torturing the BTK killer or John Wayne Gacy in order to get a full accounting of guilty men.

I suppose you would have fully supported saddam torturing pvt jessica eh? How about any of the US POWs?

Even if they did torture them, what possible info would they have gotten to help them?

The point you are defending is based upon the supposition that anybody being tortured for info must be quity and therefore deserves it

See the problem?

Now add in the fact that most of your brethern sees all muslims as guilty and then you begin to understand why your position is doomed.

   

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