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Real Christians:

1) don't worship Mammon more than they do Christ
2) help the weak and the sick and the poor instead of thinking up new ways to beat them up
3) don't set aside their supposed value system in order to score political wins
4) value humility over arrogance, and peace over war
5) don't lie, constantly, all the fucking time, to everyone

This is just for starters. Others can add more.

   

Have YOU ever even been inside a church? Do you believe in God? Do you believe that Jesus died for your sins? Have you ever prayed? Have you ever read the Bible?

   

Nice Anti-Christian, Anti-Conservative, TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) Circle Jerk thread you have, carry on.

   

Point out please how Thanos is wrong. Waiting with breath held.

   

Jesus was a wimp snowflake who deserved to have his pussy grabbed. MAGA!

   

He's just pissed that the cleaners got to the mess and he couldn't use his tongue.

   

I wonder how he was wrong too... it seems that if you believe in God, or at least pretend you do, you can do whatever the fuck you want and still be a good Christian.

   

Anti-Conservative? That's funny. On other boards people call me a Nazi or alt-right (used to be neocon but now alt-right is more fashionable). They say I'm cold hearted and cruel for not supporting idiotic socialist policies and programs and endless borrowing.

But since we're on the topic of the hypocrisy of the American right and it's so-called Christians. Let's also bring in my contempt for so-called conservatives in the US. There are almost no conservatives in the Republican party. Which is irritating because their famously dumb positions and actions give real conservatives like me a bad name.

The Republican party in the US has spent the last forty years currying favor with the electorate by hitting a few hot-button issues (gays, guns, god, abortion) which they don't really give a damn about. Meanwhile they've been running up the debt while cutting taxes at the behest of their real constituents, the wealthy and corporations who fund them, and who promise them rich rewards if they're ever removed from office.

A conservative politician should be boring. He or she should offer up careful, certain guidance and oversight of the government, and only make changes after long and deliberate determination that those changes are an improvement, and affordable.
A conservative politician recognizes that there are two categories of services government offers. That which they MUST offer, and that which would be nice to offer. That which MUST be offered should be paid for IN FULL, and maintained at 100% efficiency. That means you don't have infrastructure falling apart and you don't borrow to pay operating expenses except in an emergency. And yes, that means you bloody well raise taxes if you have to in order to meet those obligations.

You have a Republican president, a Republican congress and senate, and all they're talking about is how to cut taxes, even if that raises the debt higher. That is NOT conservative. Nor is trade protectionism conservative. And by the way, removing health care from the sick and school lunches from children is not bloody conservative - nor is it Christian.

   

I read a book on Ireland once by Leon Uris and his wife. I still have it. They spoke about 'the troubles' and how both sides claimed that God was on their side. Early in the troubles came the Burntollet bridge incident. Catholics marching for civil rights were ambushed by protestant supporters of the Reverend Ian Paisley who had transported stones in bulk from a quarry and waited on a hill, and gathered iron pipes and sticks with nails to attack them.

Anyway, what Uris said was that both sides might have claimed to worship Jesus, but if Jesus was there that day He'd have been marching with the civil rights protestors, not waiting with an iron bar in hand to attack them. Anyone who has read anything of Him would know that.

Similarly, Jesus would vote for a party which wanted to help the poor, the sick and downtrodden, not the one which would want to take away their health care, school lunches and college funding in order to give massive tax grants to the wealthy.

   

Justification by Faith alone!

   

Jesus was such a genuine socialist that if in his second coming he reveals himself in the capitalist world, especially the United States, he'll be lynched from a telephone pole within a year of coming out.

   

Some long haired working class socialist Jew.....kill 'im in the name of Lil baby Aryan Jeebus.

   

I would rep again if I could. I would like to see the Republican Party get back to what matters. I don't care what people do in their bedroom, and though I am personaly against abortion I would not outlaw it. I also do not care what plant people wish to smoke. I think injecting powders into ones vein is very stupid and dangerous, but I do not wish to warehouse these people in prison on mandatory minimums longer than violent offenders receive.

   

First off, I like your style. I like your wit. I am glad that you found this forum. This forum needs new blood like yourself. It used to be the best forum hands down when it came to debates. We lost to many members in the last few years. Now its mainly the same grouchy old fuckers taking shots at each other every day. So let me say a belated welcome aboard! I must have missed your intro. If you have any friends on your level looking for a new forum, bring them along too. We need them.

I notice that a lot of Canadians do not want to admit to having religious beliefs. Its looked down upon in Canada more so than in the States. It certainly is looked down upon more on this forum. Thats ok. Everyone has their own belief system. I was asking you about yours as you were using words to describe President Trump that I have not heard in a while. I grew up Baptist. Once I went to a revival at a Pentecostal church. People were rolling around on the floor in convulsions, running around speaking in tongues. I was terrified. I was expecting them to break out serpents at any minute. This was in Appalachia where that sort of thing does happen. I thought that they were going to string me up and offer me as a sacrifice. I seriously contemplated pretending to speak in tongues just to fit in and draw away suspicion. That was my first and last time at a Pentecostal church. Not judging them, it just was not my cup of tea. If it works for them, so be it. I digress. I was asking about your religious affiliation because you spoke like you had some. If you don't want want to discuss it, thats fine. I only brought it up because there are several people on this forum who have never set foot in a church before. They know nothing about what it means to be a Christian. Yet they have no problem telling Christians how to be a better Christian. I call bullshit!!! I know nothing about being a Hindu. I would never offer advice to a Hindu about being a better Hindu when I have never walked one day in his shoes. I would be out of line. I have spent the majority of life going to Christian churches. I do not need someone who has not made the sacrafice in time (going to sunday school, church, youth groups, chaperoning on church busses, choir, helping at revivals and summer camps) and money (tithing and offerings) telling me about something they know absolutely nothing about. I went to church to praise GOD!!! It is GOD's house. There was no politics there. You worshipped GOD, and you begged for forgiveness for your sins. Praising and begging was what it amounted to. You praise God for your blessings and you beg for forgiveness for your sins. It was black and white. There were NO grey areas. GOD has laws. GOD is not ASKING you to follow the laws. Its NOT a request. You WILL follow the laws, or there will be hell to pay. There was no negotiation going on. You do NOT get a vote. You do NOT get a say. You believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins. You ask Jesus to go before the heavenly father on your behalf. Its a very hard life. You give up up a lot to be a follower.

I am sick and tired of hearing from someone who has never set foot in a church about how the poor are somehow MY problem for being a Christian. Its like they get a free pass to sit on their fat ass and play video games or post gibberish online all day. People who go to church take care of their own. When a believer falls on hard times, we all step up to help. Special donations, physical labor, daycare, airline tickets, digging graves, bringing food and cooked meals. We looked out for each other. Not because we had to, but because we wanted to. The government was not forcing us to do it. Most of the people claiming that Jesus was a socialist have never been to church. 2 Thessalonians 3:10 states that: For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat". Does that sound like socialism to anyone? Matthew 10:34 states: "Do not suppose that I have came to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword". Jesus did not come to sit around the campfire holding hands and singing kumbia. He came to tell people to get their shit together. To quit pissing GOD off and breaking GODS laws. He may have had a softer way to deliver the message than in the old testament, but the message is the same. Get your shit together or pay the consequences. Now I am not telling anyone that they have to believe in God, or that Jesus died for their sins. There are lots of religions. You can pick one, or you can ignore them them all. Thats your right. But I do NOT need someone who has never seen the inside of a Christian church telling me how to be better at doing something that I have been doing for most of my 50 plus years on the planet. Don't think that you can dump your poor off on me just because I chose to follow the Christian faith. Screw that!!

   

Rickc- I don't know for sure but strongly suspect that the majority of atheists on this forum or in general in Canada are former members of a Christian congregation who left their faith because of seeing how Christians have destroyed the moral authority of their religion by regularly breaking the guidelines of said faith.

   

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