Trump's Harassment Victims Still Seeking Justice
Thanos @ Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:58 pm
https://www.buzzfeed.com/kendalltaggart ... qgaRRwQO5K
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For all the women who have cheered as accusations against the producer Harvey Weinstein force a public conversation about sexual misconduct, one small group of women has watched with frustration. They are some of the dozen women who publicly accused Donald Trump of groping or kissing them — accusations that Trump has denied.
In a sharp contrast to the women who accused Weinstein, Trump’s accusers did not see the public turn against him, the board of his company fire him, or the police launch an investigation. Instead, these women watched the man they say humiliated and abused them get elected president of the United States.
“When he won, I felt like I lost,” said Melinda McGillivray, a Palm Springs resident who came forward in October of last year to accuse Trump of groping her in 2003. She said she was assisting a photographer at a party at Mar-A-Lago when Trump came up and “grabbed my ass.” The photographer who was with her at the event, a Ray Charles concert, confirmed to the Palm Beach Post that she reported the alleged incident to him at the time.
The White House did not respond to a request for comment on this story. But last year, as women were continuing to come forward, Trump tweeted a blanket denial: “Nothing ever happened with any of these women. Totally made up nonsense to steal the election. Nobody has more respect for women than me!”
McGillivray, who said she had to go into hiding because she got death threats and angry phone calls, said she thinks people may have taken the allegations against Weinstein more seriously because famous people were among those accusing the mogul. “We have women coming out that are celebrities and of course it gets more traction. They have more credibility than I do.”
Temple Taggart, a former Miss Utah, was a 21-year-old pageant contestant when, she said, Trump repeatedly kissed her on the mouth without her permission. She was thrilled to see Weinstein fired, she said, but it reminded her of how “sad” she was that “they brushed it all under the rug” when it came to the accusations against Trump.
“That was so disappointing,” she said. After she spoke out, she said, she was pilloried on social media, with people accusing her of making up lies in order to swing the election. “It makes you realize why women don’t come forward,” she said.
Jessica Leeds, who is now 75, spoke out after watching Trump declare during the second presidential debate that he had never touched women sexually without their permission.
She said the president groped her in the early 1980s when she was seated next to him in the first class section of a flight. Trump denied the allegation.
A longtime New Yorker, she said that on the streets, she has been greeted with joy and thanks for speaking out. Women have come up to her on the subway and even in the shower at the gym to thank her and extol her bravery. Every woman who came up to her, she said, had their own story of being sexually harassed.
Still, she said, she did face months of angry and abusive phone calls after Fox News anchor Lou Dobbs tweeted a Trump supporter’s post that had her phone number and address.
Despite it all, she’s glad she told her story but “truly sorry it didn’t have more impact,” she said. “I hoped it did, but it didn’t.”
In a sharp contrast to the women who accused Weinstein, Trump’s accusers did not see the public turn against him, the board of his company fire him, or the police launch an investigation. Instead, these women watched the man they say humiliated and abused them get elected president of the United States.
“When he won, I felt like I lost,” said Melinda McGillivray, a Palm Springs resident who came forward in October of last year to accuse Trump of groping her in 2003. She said she was assisting a photographer at a party at Mar-A-Lago when Trump came up and “grabbed my ass.” The photographer who was with her at the event, a Ray Charles concert, confirmed to the Palm Beach Post that she reported the alleged incident to him at the time.
The White House did not respond to a request for comment on this story. But last year, as women were continuing to come forward, Trump tweeted a blanket denial: “Nothing ever happened with any of these women. Totally made up nonsense to steal the election. Nobody has more respect for women than me!”
McGillivray, who said she had to go into hiding because she got death threats and angry phone calls, said she thinks people may have taken the allegations against Weinstein more seriously because famous people were among those accusing the mogul. “We have women coming out that are celebrities and of course it gets more traction. They have more credibility than I do.”
Temple Taggart, a former Miss Utah, was a 21-year-old pageant contestant when, she said, Trump repeatedly kissed her on the mouth without her permission. She was thrilled to see Weinstein fired, she said, but it reminded her of how “sad” she was that “they brushed it all under the rug” when it came to the accusations against Trump.
“That was so disappointing,” she said. After she spoke out, she said, she was pilloried on social media, with people accusing her of making up lies in order to swing the election. “It makes you realize why women don’t come forward,” she said.
Jessica Leeds, who is now 75, spoke out after watching Trump declare during the second presidential debate that he had never touched women sexually without their permission.
She said the president groped her in the early 1980s when she was seated next to him in the first class section of a flight. Trump denied the allegation.
A longtime New Yorker, she said that on the streets, she has been greeted with joy and thanks for speaking out. Women have come up to her on the subway and even in the shower at the gym to thank her and extol her bravery. Every woman who came up to her, she said, had their own story of being sexually harassed.
Still, she said, she did face months of angry and abusive phone calls after Fox News anchor Lou Dobbs tweeted a Trump supporter’s post that had her phone number and address.
Despite it all, she’s glad she told her story but “truly sorry it didn’t have more impact,” she said. “I hoped it did, but it didn’t.”
Thanos @ Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:01 pm
And the response from MAGAland is an overwhelming:
ShepherdsDog @ Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:13 pm
But the Cult of Little Baby Aryan Jeebus voters buys his bullshit about being devout and for the common man. His supporters are just as vile as he is because they are willing to ignore the shit. No one can be that stupid....well, then again based on those on this site who support this daughter diddling POS I very well could be wrong. Sad. Very sad.
Thanos @ Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:15 pm
Given how often the sturm-und-drang sort of GOP preachers get busted doing the same things themselves to women (or boys) in their churches it's no surprise that the "Values Voters" types love Trump. Must be like looking in a mirror for most of them.
ShepherdsDog @ Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:20 pm
They exhibit the worst America has to offer the world. Putin must be busting a gut laughing at how his dummy is messin up murikuh.
BeaverFever @ Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:04 pm
The religious right, Deplorables and Republicans in general truly believe that women are inferior and subordinate to men, and their primary defining feature is the service they can provide to men in their lives.
Vbeacher @ Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:08 am
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
But the Cult of Little Baby Aryan Jeebus voters buys his bullshit about being devout and for the common man. His supporters are just as vile as he is because they are willing to ignore the shit. No one can be that stupid....well, then again based on those on this site who support this daughter diddling POS I very well could be wrong. Sad. Very sad.
The willingness of the so-called Christian right in the US to cheer on Donald Trump reveals their absolute moral bankruptcy. These people are not really Christians, or they'd be less into pompous, self-righteous preaching against those they think are behaving in a less moral way, and more into actually helping those who need help.
Donald Trump turned his back on his father's business of building homes for ordinary folks and has always pursued recognition from the wealthy elites. He builds golden palaces, swaggers and brags, indulges the worst hedonistic tendencies, and fornicates with any woman who will let him. He's a serial adulterer and liar and cheat who called a radio station to pretend he was his publicist talking and brag about how good he was in bed with his mistress of the day. He couldn't even name a church he belonged to, said he had never sought God's forgiveness for anything, has never given money to charity except in niggling amounts and usually because he wanted to brag about it, and never shown the slightest care or concern for the poor or downtrodden. He barged into changing rooms where teenage girls were undressing to peep at him, and is now doing his best to remove health care for the poor so he can give a big tax break to the rich, and still the so-called religious right worships him. These people are not Christians.
Thanos @ Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:19 am
Trump's dad was a slumlord, not a home-builder. He was also an associate of the KKK and once marched with them at a rally. Every indication is that everything that made Donald Trump such a horrible person he learned from his dad.
Vbeacher @ Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:06 pm
Thanos Thanos:
Trump's dad was a slumlord, not a home-builder. He was also an associate of the KKK and once marched with them at a rally. Every indication is that everything that made Donald Trump such a horrible person he learned from his dad.
Not entirely. Look up Roy Cohn sometime. He was Trump's mentor, a disbarred lawyer who taught him to never apologize.
Thanos @ Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:08 pm
I know about good ol' Roy, who was pretty much the only homosexual the GOP liked until Milo Yiannapoulous came along. One of the uniquely awful personalities in the history of American politics, having cause about a million times more damage than any good he ever might have inadvertently done. Cruel, vicious, and completely lacking in any sort of ethical or moral code, which explains how he was given so much power by the right wing.
There's no doubting that Cohn had a massive effect on Trump. But his parents did too because there's no escaping the influence of the home environment for anyone. Trump wasn't grown in a petri dish. He was just raised incredibly poorly, with the common virtues of humane behaviour and normal decency pretty much entirely absent from his life.
rickc @ Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:06 am
Vbeacher Vbeacher:
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
But the Cult of Little Baby Aryan Jeebus voters buys his bullshit about being devout and for the common man. His supporters are just as vile as he is because they are willing to ignore the shit. No one can be that stupid....well, then again based on those on this site who support this daughter diddling POS I very well could be wrong. Sad. Very sad.
The willingness of the so-called Christian right in the US to cheer on Donald Trump reveals their absolute moral bankruptcy. These people are not really Christians, or they'd be less into pompous, self-righteous preaching against those they think are behaving in a less moral way, and more into actually helping those who need help.
Donald Trump turned his back on his father's business of building homes for ordinary folks and has always pursued recognition from the wealthy elites. He builds golden palaces, swaggers and brags, indulges the worst hedonistic tendencies, and fornicates with any woman who will let him. He's a serial adulterer and liar and cheat who called a radio station to pretend he was his publicist talking and brag about how good he was in bed with his mistress of the day. He couldn't even name a church he belonged to, said he had never sought God's forgiveness for anything, has never given money to charity except in niggling amounts and usually because he wanted to brag about it, and never shown the slightest care or concern for the poor or downtrodden. He barged into changing rooms where teenage girls were undressing to peep at him, and is now doing his best to remove health care for the poor so he can give a big tax break to the rich, and still the so-called religious right worships him. These people are not Christians.
Don't come on here and tell us who is and who is not a "real" Christian. That judgement is way, WAY above your pay grade. Are you a Christian? How much time have you spent going to church? Do you read your Bible? Do you tithe? Do you believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins?
I love how your first paragraph is bitching about "so called Christians" not being "real" Christians or they would be less into pompous, self righteous preaching against those they think are behaving in a less moral way ............then your second paragraph you launch into a pompous, self righteous preaching rant into someone YOU think is behaving in a less moral way. Hypocrite much? You then state that the religious right worships Trump. Total bullshit!!! No one worships this asshole. The voters picked the lesser of two evils on election night. Thats something you should know well about considering the dope smoking, snowboarding, bar bouncing, daddy's boy, trust fund beneficiary dipshit that you have in office. At least Mr. Trump did something with the money his father gave him. There are buildings all over the world with his name on them. What did your guy do with his fortune? Roll it up and smoke it away with some ski bunnies and his posse at a chalet? How is him getting stoned and bagging a different ski bunny bimbo every night helping the poor? How many poor people are actually hanging around a chalet anyway? Zero would be a good guess. How many women has he fornicated with? How many times has he committed adultery? I am sure that with his perfect hair that he is bedding more bimbos than some old orange colored geezer with a hair transplant is any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
If you had the ability to know who was or was not a "real" Christian, we would be worshipping YOU on Sunday, or whatever day you proclaimed as the Holy day.
Coach85 @ Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:54 am
rickc rickc:
I love how your first paragraph is bitching about "so called Christians" not being "real" Christians or they would be less into pompous, self righteous preaching against those they think are behaving in a less moral way ............then your second paragraph you launch into a pompous, self-righteous preaching rant into someone YOU think is behaving in a less moral way. Hypocrite much? You then state that the religious right worships Trump. Total bullshit!!!
He hasn't been hypocritical at all. He's not claiming to be Christian and then acting in a non-Christian way, like those he's discussing.
The Religious Right does, for the most part, worship Trump. They helped get him elected.
rickc rickc:
Thats something you should know well about considering the dope smoking, snowboarding, bar bouncing, daddy's boy, trust fund beneficiary dipshit that you have in office. At least Mr. Trump did something with the money his father gave him.
Making fun of our PM doesn't enhance the image of your President. It says more about you than it does about them.
ShepherdsDog @ Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:04 am
They seem to think insulting Trudeau will offend us. Obviously they haven't been keeping up with CKA threads. Beaver is about the only one who swoons over him, the same way the deplorables worship and make excuses for your current PoTUS.
Vbeacher @ Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:00 pm
rickc rickc:
Don't come on here and tell us who is and who is not a "real" Christian. That judgement is way, WAY above your pay grade.
I wasn't aware that understanding Christianity was a job. Can you tell me what the pay rate is?
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I love how your first paragraph is bitching about "so called Christians" not being "real" Christians or they would be less into pompous, self righteous preaching against those they think are behaving in a less moral way ............then your second paragraph you launch into a pompous, self righteous preaching rant into someone YOU think is behaving in a less moral way. Hypocrite much?
By that standard you're certainly no better. At least my targets are perfectly well-defined by their ignorance of basic Christian doctrine. How much do I tithe, you asked, which again reveals this desperate fascination with money on the part of the phony Christians. As if giving money to the church is an indication of whether you're a good Christian or not!
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You then state that the religious right worships Trump. Total bullshit!!! No one worships this asshole.
And yet 81% of Christian evangelicals supported Trump.
Academics, intellectuals and journalists have devoted considerable time to the question of how Trump, a thrice-married casino owner who claimed never to have asked God for forgiveness, earned historic support from born-again Christians in the 2016 presidential election. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ven-215251
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The voters picked the lesser of two evils on election night.
A fornicating, adulterous, lying, cheating hedonist whose profound ignorance about every aspect of the world and every aspect of Christianity is exceeded only by his raw avarice, lechery, crudity, bullying and narcissism? That was better than Clinton - who I didn't actually like - in what way? Because her husband cheated on her? Gah!
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Thats something you should know well about considering the dope smoking, snowboarding, bar bouncing, daddy's boy, trust fund beneficiary dipshit that you have in office.
I despise the shallow, callow vainglorious prettyboy in office. But I'd vote for him over Trump any day. At least, while ignorant, he's willing to take guidance, and isn't like a sulky two year old given to temper tantrums.
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At least Mr. Trump did something with the money his father gave him. There are buildings all over the world with his name on them.
If he'd invested that money in basic blue chip stocks back then he'd be worth twice what he is now. He built palaces for rich people. Big whoop de whoop. Where's his Carnegie Hall? Where's his Rockefeller university (laugh)? Where is his Eastman theater? His Henry Ford Hospital?
He built some glass towers, and rented his name to other people to put on more. History will not remember any of it. While other wealthy men gave massive sums to help and educate the poor Donald Trump gave nothing because Donald Trump never cared about anyone but Donald Trump.
Maybe you could tell me one single way in which Trump has acted like a Christian, or why the so-called Christian right is so determined to support him. And don't give me crap about Clinton. The so-called Christian right STILL supports him.
What’s more, white evangelical support for him has actually risen despite a constant barrage of negative press about the president. Around the 100-day mark of his presidency, 78 percent endorsed the president’s performance, with over two-thirds of those very strongly approving of the president, dwarfing the general public approval rating of 39 percent. http://www.newsweek.com/how-christian-r ... ump-630048
rickc @ Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:34 am
Vbeacher Vbeacher:
rickc rickc:
Don't come on here and tell us who is and who is not a "real" Christian. That judgement is way, WAY above your pay grade.
I wasn't aware that understanding Christianity was a job. Can you tell me what the pay rate is?
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I love how your first paragraph is bitching about "so called Christians" not being "real" Christians or they would be less into pompous, self righteous preaching against those they think are behaving in a less moral way ............then your second paragraph you launch into a pompous, self righteous preaching rant into someone YOU think is behaving in a less moral way. Hypocrite much?
By that standard you're certainly no better. At least my targets are perfectly well-defined by their ignorance of basic Christian doctrine. How much do I tithe, you asked, which again reveals this desperate fascination with money on the part of the phony Christians. As if giving money to the church is an indication of whether you're a good Christian or not!
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You then state that the religious right worships Trump. Total bullshit!!! No one worships this asshole.
And yet 81% of Christian evangelicals supported Trump.
Academics, intellectuals and journalists have devoted considerable time to the question of how Trump, a thrice-married casino owner who claimed never to have asked God for forgiveness, earned historic support from born-again Christians in the 2016 presidential election. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ven-215251
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The voters picked the lesser of two evils on election night.
A fornicating, adulterous, lying, cheating hedonist whose profound ignorance about every aspect of the world and every aspect of Christianity is exceeded only by his raw avarice, lechery, crudity, bullying and narcissism? That was better than Clinton - who I didn't actually like - in what way? Because her husband cheated on her? Gah!
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Thats something you should know well about considering the dope smoking, snowboarding, bar bouncing, daddy's boy, trust fund beneficiary dipshit that you have in office.
I despise the shallow, callow vainglorious prettyboy in office. But I'd vote for him over Trump any day. At least, while ignorant, he's willing to take guidance, and isn't like a sulky two year old given to temper tantrums.
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At least Mr. Trump did something with the money his father gave him. There are buildings all over the world with his name on them.
If he'd invested that money in basic blue chip stocks back then he'd be worth twice what he is now. He built palaces for rich people. Big whoop de whoop. Where's his Carnegie Hall? Where's his Rockefeller university (laugh)? Where is his Eastman theater? His Henry Ford Hospital?
He built some glass towers, and rented his name to other people to put on more. History will not remember any of it. While other wealthy men gave massive sums to help and educate the poor Donald Trump gave nothing because Donald Trump never cared about anyone but Donald Trump.
Maybe you could tell me one single way in which Trump has acted like a Christian, or why the so-called Christian right is so determined to support him. And don't give me crap about Clinton. The so-called Christian right STILL supports him.
What’s more, white evangelical support for him has actually risen despite a constant barrage of negative press about the president. Around the 100-day mark of his presidency, 78 percent endorsed the president’s performance, with over two-thirds of those very strongly approving of the president, dwarfing the general public approval rating of 39 percent. http://www.newsweek.com/how-christian-r ... ump-630048
You don't seem to want to answer any of my questions. You like throwing out words that reek of fire and brimstone sermons , words I have not heard since I attended a revival at a Pentecostal church when I was a kid. They spoke in tongues too. It scared the shit out of me. Reading your words on this post I can't help but think of Isaac in the children of the corn. So why don't you take a break from your sermon on the mount and educate us on what a 'real Christian" is? You pontificate ad nauseam about phoney Christians, go ahead..... enlighten us. You act like you have all the answers, than lets hear it!!! Exactly what IS a REAL Christian? What is YOUR definition of a "real Christian"? Enquiring minds want to know.