Warming may bring mass extinctions: study

Colbert's funny, but the all-time funniest, and truest TV critique of the Global Warming mindset was the South Park episode "Smug Alert". I can't talk to a Global Warmer without being reminded of it. If you've got a half hour to kill you can view it HERE. I love that bit where they get so smug they love the smell of their own farts.

Which brings me back to Zip.

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, you called me slippery, but who's being slippery here. I destroyed your averaging argument, (which you admit, though you now say it was just an exercise to prove a point) yet you persist with this notion of no warming since 1998.

Are you for freakin real man? Does this actually work? This thing you do where you distract from the main point by going off on a tangent on some minor point, then puffing up your little chest, and declaring yourself the winner of something 5 pages later when you hope people have forgotten the original statement

Doesn't the poster simply click back 5 pages, and quote the first post? Like this.

Basically though if you find those two graphs old, no problem. Here's 3 more. They appear to go somewhere close to 2007, and also show no warming since 1998.

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/MSUvsRSS.html

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/MSUvsRSS-m.html

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/RSSglobe-m.html

Add them to the graphs you found in that paper you linked to. You know... the one which has nothing to do with this particular issue, other than the presentation of those graphs. Add them together, and you now have 9, all showing no warming since 1998.

But why is this important? Why does it matter if there has been no warming since 1998 (which, of course, there hasn't)? It doesn't prove there's no such thing as catastrophic Global Warming.

Here's why it matters. First of all one can't give up facts such as "no warming since 1998" to GWers simply because one doesn't want the bother of the argument. It'll come back to bite you in the ass.

Also the "no warming since 1998" fact is the perfect counter-argument to faux science BS, such as that BS graph the GWers have been posting since this global warming debate hit gear. You know the one. I think I've seen you post it. If not you can find it from a link at that article you posted claiming 2005 was a super-heated year. It's the one that cherry picks data from the end of the little ice age, and shows a spike to 2001. Once it's established there's been no warming since 1998 one can now say yes, but that graph is crap, it doesn't show the leveling off or decrease, of temperatures since 1998. If they accuse you of "cherry picking" an El nino year to begin the time period, you simply say yes but if El Nino matters, and you allow for it, there's been no warming in at least 25 years, ((and anyway you're whole graph is cherry-picked from the end of the little ice age, so what are you whining about).

Basically it goes like this - "No warming since 1998, and when the warming effect of El Ninos, and the cooling effect of the El Chichon and Pinatubo volcanic eruptions, are discounted, little if any greenhouse-forced warming is apparent for the last 25 years".

I imported some data into a spreadsheet, did a little bit of manipulation, and,....

That is the basis of your argument, whether you realize it or not (well, actually, I'm pretty sure that the basis of your argument is ideological and has little to do with science anyways, but that's a whole 'nother topic).

The salient facts are these. First, the accepted global average temperature statistics used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998. Oddly, this eight-year-long temperature stasis has occurred despite an increase over the same period of 15 parts per million (or 4 per cent) in atmospheric CO2.

Second, lower atmosphere satellite-based temperature measurements, if corrected for non-greenhouse influences such as El Nino events and large volcanic eruptions, show little if any global warming since 1979, a period over which atmospheric CO2 has increased by 55 ppm (17 per cent).

Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero).

Whitehouse too concludes that it is apparent that the last decade shows no warming trend and recent successive annual global temperatures are well within each year's measurement errors. Statistically the world's temperature, he writes, is flat. The world certainly warmed between 1975 and 1998, but in the past 10 years it has not been increasing at the rate it did. No scientist could honestly look at global temperatures over the past decade and see a rising curve.

At some level, it has never been widely contested. Most of the climate community has agreed since 1988 that global mean temperatures have increased on the order of one degree Fahrenheit over the past century, having risen significantly from about 1919 to 1940, decreased between 1940 and the early '70s, increased again until the '90s, and remaining essentially flat since 1998.

The more accurate NASA satellite data, however, are even more striking. These, recording lower air temperatures, show that there has been no warming since the global peak in 1998. Far from having risen, global temperatures have in fact stabilised.

Frustrated? Hell yeah. How can you rationally explain something to somebody when he wants to insist black is white. Jeez I've tutored kids with learning disabilities, and they eventually got what I was saying. Why can't this guy figure it out. All I'm saying is there's been no warming since 1998. What that means, or doesn't mean is another discussion. The single fact is there's been no warming.

The salient facts are these. First, the accepted global average temperature statistics used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998. Oddly, this eight-year-long temperature stasis has occurred despite an increase over the same period of 15 parts per million (or 4 per cent) in atmospheric CO2.

The more accurate NASA satellite data, however, are even more striking. These, recording lower air temperatures, show that there has been no warming since the global peak in 1998. Far from having risen, global temperatures have in fact stabilised.

But wait apparently Zip doesn't like the satellite data on this one. This time he'll only accept surface data. Very well then. Here's a graph on surface warming. Tell me it doesn't show there's been no surface warming since 1998. It does though, because there's been no warming since 1998.

Oh cool. It's come down to name calling has it? Great. I've been saving a few, you puffed up, self-important, faux-science, slippery, BS'er.

Once more you post a link to something that doesn't say what you want it to say. In fact it's the same tired, old graph you slippery, deniers of the current data try to pass off as current science. It ends in 2001! The newer graphs all show something different as you've seen from the 12 I've posted.

I notice they're adding a new touch though. At least now they're showing the tiny little tick at the end where it levels off at the end. I guess they pretty much have to because it's common knowledge now there's been no warming since 1998.

The band plays in Zip's head as he once more proclaims himself victor of something of which only he is aware. He marches about his room with his little rubber baton. Mom steps in, and gives him a cookie.

I'll give you one thing Zip. You're fast. You must live by the computer. I edited that bit about 2001, as soon as I saw the post. I didn't even know your reply was here until I checked my email.

The line appears to flatten from 2001, but even there 2001 is an illusion of that particular graph, and that's why you guys choose them for display. The bit at the top has to curve to form the bell shape. Nevertheless the line does flatten around 1998. There has been no warming since 1998. No current data exists showing there has been. Your slippery, and desperate little tricks of misdirection will never convince anyone, but yourself there has been. And this is what you call science is it? Pointing at a Fox and calling it a chicken.

I sometimes wonder what you indoctrinated, deluded acolytes of the global warming religion will do in a couple of years as La Nina takes over, and things get colder. Well, it won't be a problem for you personally, because you'll just lie, and say you were never into it. For you a lie is just a truth properly presented.

(And I think you got that last line backwards.)

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/MSUvsRSS.html

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/MSUvsRSS-m.html

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/RSSglobe-m.html

The two latter ones show a nice decline since 2001.

Nice try though.