Warming may bring mass extinctions: study

But first a recap on what led us here.

* I believe it was Bart Simpson made a statement based on something that's being said a lot in recent publications. There has been no warming since 1998.

* You then pooh poohed that statement and quoted an article from the NASA site based on data from James Hansen contradicting that information.

* I then asked the questions -

Isn't that article from 2006?
Haven't new findings come out since then?
Wasn't the poster of the data, James Hansen, disgraced for providing false data?
Didn't (I think it was the Hadley institute, and the NAS) post data showing no warming since 1998?

* You replied, "no, no, no, and no.

Have there been new findings?

In general the answer is most certainly yes. New findings come out all the time. In fact, even in April of 2006, 60 scientists who had input on the original Kyoto wrote Prime Minister Harper a letter saying, "If, back in the mid-1990s, we knew what we know today about climate, Kyoto would almost certainly not exist, because we would have concluded it was not necessary."

But more specifically have there been findings since the January 2006 NASA article on James Hansen's findings.

Here's something from Bob Carter, an environmental scientist at James Cook University.

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The salient facts are these. First, the accepted global average temperature statistics used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998. Oddly, this eight-year-long temperature stasis has occurred despite an increase over the same period of 15 parts per million (or 4 per cent) in atmospheric CO2.

Second, lower atmosphere satellite-based temperature measurements, if corrected for non-greenhouse influences such as El Nino events and large volcanic eruptions, show little if any global warming since 1979, a period over which atmospheric CO2 has increased by 55 ppm (17 per cent).

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/stor ... 97,00.html

American Senator James Inhoefe says the NY Times has quoted the same data.

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* 1) Recent climate changes on Earth lie well within the bounds of natural climate variability - even the New York Times concedes this. UN temperature data show that the late 20th century phase of global warming ended in 1998; new data for the Southern Hemisphere show that a slight cooling is underway there.

Bob Carter quotes another source for the data here -

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Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero).

OK, so based on that information, and other stuff I've seen, but couldn't find with a quick search I'm going to answer the question, "Haven't new findings come out since then?". It is not "no". It is in fact yes.

2005 and 1998 were the warmest two years in the instrumental global surface air temperature record since 1850. Surface temperatures in 1998 were enhanced by the major 1997–1998 El Niño but no such strong anomaly was present in 2005. Eleven of the last 12 years (1995 to 2006) – the exception being 1996 – rank among the 12 warmest years on record since 1850.

The answer to the question, "Didn't (I think it was the Hadley institute, and the NAS) post data showing no warming since 1998?" is yes, but with qualifications, I forgot to check those two sources of the data, but if the IPCC, and Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia reproduce the data that's good enough for me. Data does exist showing no warming since 1998.

In conclusion after researching your answers of "no, no, no, and no", the correct answers were "yes, maybe, yes, and yes."

He lacks the intelligence to understand that the faulty assumptions his newfound faith are based upon are just plain BS. At least some of us realize that Zipperfish is just trolling but this goof really believes it.

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He lacks the intelligence to understand that the faulty assumptions his newfound faith are based upon are just plain BS. At least some of us realize that Zipperfish is just trolling but this goof really believes it.

So you call me a goof and Brenda basically says I have low intelligence.

You people really can't have a debate without resorting to personal insults, can you?

You were the one insulting me, and I did not "basically say you have low intelligence" unless you mean you are saying that I have. I said, you not reading the link provided by Zip, and telling me I am a moron for not providing that link (which, when you did read it, should be clear I quoted Zip's link) says more about your intelligence then mine. You obviously didn't link that link to my quote, which proves to me you didn't even read that link. Nice way of debating...

So, keep me out of your insults, okay? Thanks.

You told me it was my DAMN job to do that, and you told me I basically said you have low intelligence.

Who is seeing things exactly?

Exactly. So you are the one assuming. Not me. You just didn't read. Well, that is certainly not my problem, is it?

You need to learn how to handle a woman that disagrees with you. I didn't take anything personal. Yoiu did. You intervened in a discussion that wasn't even with you. So, maybe, next time, you might wanna mind your own business? ;-)

If I would have called you names, I would have said other things. You started to swear, remember?

Anyway, would it make you happy if I say: You are right, whatever...?

You need to learn how to have someone disagree with you without taking that as a direct personal insult against you. You also need to learn not to make stuff up so as to come off as the victim.

Lies? Who the hell is flaming here now?

The only thing you have been doing, is insult me. Stop that.

I was not aware of the fact, that since you started this thread, you owned it, and I needed permission to share my opinion. The way I do it is not good, the things I say are not right, but you are allowed to tell me how to do it, and I quote you:

And I am the one telling lies? My goodness, someone is playing victim here, and it sure as hell ain't me!