'White chavs have become black': David Starkey TV outburst p
Most Caribbean Brits are fully integrated and see themselves as British first. They don't demand special rights. Muslims do. Hindus do. So do Sikhs. More religious reasons than say skin colour reasons as in the USA. Black Brits are christian or atheist, most are fully integrated into British culture, to the point where a research study recently mentioned that if Britain stopped all immigration of blacks, the 1.5m living in the UK would disappear within a generation due to the rapid rate of intermarriage between them and the native whites.
Then, therefore, the question of multiculturalism is really a total red herring in its purest form. This isn't multiculturalism. Black are not culturally different from white Britons.
If they're going to have a conversation about the riots, it shouldn't be about multiculturalism. That's not a honest debate.
It's not that Starkey is wrong (or right) that he's been criticized, it's fear of his fanbase. Many who agree with him are not knowledgable, or even sincere about the real issues. They let their emotions ran rampant.
Criminal culture is criminal culture, it has little to do with the colour of people's skin or their culture. Especially if these people are fully integrated.
The Vancouver riots demonstrated well that colour and culture don't mean fuck all.
QBall @ Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:30 am
Hooliganism existed in the U.K. long before this incident ever occurred. Sorry but it's more likely the kids involved in this violence learned to behave like this from their parents than from black people. BTW what is a chav?
andyt @ Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:33 am
QBall QBall:
Hooliganism existed in the U.K. long before this incident ever occurred. Sorry but it's more likely the kids involved in this violence learned to behave like this from their parents than from black people. BTW what is a chav?
Can you say google?
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A chav (pronounced /ˈtʃæv/ chav) is a stereotype of certain people in the United Kingdom. Also known as a charver in Yorkshire and North East England[1] "chavs" are said to be aggressive teenagers and young adults, of working class background, who repeatedly engage in anti-social behaviour such as street drinking, drug abuse and rowdiness, or other forms of juvenile delinquency.[2]
Also NEET:
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NEET is a government acronym for people currently "Not in Education, Employment, or Training". It was first used in the United Kingdom but its use has spread to other countries, including Japan, China, and South Korea.
Also Ned:
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Ned is a derogatory term applied in Scotland to youths who wear casual sports clothes,[1] with the stereotypical implication that they engage in hooliganism or petty criminality.[2] Such usage in Glasgow dates back to the 1960s or earlier,[3] by 2006 the term chav from the South of England[4] was used across the United Kingdom as an alternative for this and other local terms such as "schemies" in Edinburgh and "scallies" in Liverpool.[5]
I was in a class with a Jamaican man who while he was black he VERY deeply resented the "black gangsta" culture. He would not allow his kids to wear sneakers without shoe laces or not not wear belts so that their pain would hang down below their asses.
He said that all of this was to emulate people in prison. He said he worked do so that his kids close would fit and didn't want hem at all to look like anything from prison.
After he got his American License he could transfer it to Jamaica which he did. He liked the rest of American Culture and worked in his family to integrate it into his own family's culture, not all blacks or Jamaicans glorify criminals.
Batsy @ Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:30 am
andyt andyt:
Batsy Batsy:
There was a programme on the lefty Channel 4 last night about the riots. It was a debate which involved a panel of politicians and experts on the stage and the studio audience.
The audience was very young.
One young guy in the audience started talking, putting his point of view across. As I was not looking at the screen when he started talking I thought he was black. He spoke like a black youth of London does. He spoke with the "black accent" that the youth of London use. "Da guvvermen' hates da yoof, innit?"
When I looked to the screen I saw that he was actually white. In my opinion, he was a white youth acting as though he was a black youth.
You know more about Britain than I do, but I've had an English friend who said youf instead of youth, (believe he was from Manchester) and I've heard lots of old white farts say innit on British TV. Dropping the t and saying da might be a black thing, but jeez, there's so many weird British white accents who can know.
In fact, many Londoners can't pronounce the "th" sounds properly. In the London accent, many people say "yoof" instead of "youth." Just watch an episode of Eastenders and you'll know what I mean. But when I heard this white guy on TV talking he didn't say "yoof" with a normal London accent, he said it in the accent that many of Britain's black youth speak which they think makes them sound cool.
Batsy @ Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:46 am
andyt andyt:
A chav (pronounced /ˈtʃæv/ chav) is a stereotype of certain people in the United Kingdom. Also known as a charver in Yorkshire and North East England[1] "chavs" are said to be aggressive teenagers and young adults, of working class background, who repeatedly engage in anti-social behaviour such as street drinking, drug abuse and rowdiness, or other forms of juvenile delinquency.

Chavs - the females of which are known as chavettes - are also easy to spot because of the way they dress.
They like wearing sporting attire and designer brands like Adidas, Nike, Reebok (which was founded in my hometown of Bolton near Manchester), Puma, Umbro and Kappa. They like bling and can often be seen wearing oversized gold hoop earrings and necklaces, bracelets and rings, and huge medallions.
Clothing attire is usually navy, white, black, red or grey for the chav male, and pink and white are very common with the "chavette", particularly velour tracksuits or shell suits.
Chavs also particularly like Burberry. Burberry is a luxury British fashion house famous for its distinctive tartan pattern. The favourite Burberry item of clothing for the average chav is a baseball cap.
Burberry's appeal to "chav" fashion sense is a sociological example of prole drift, where an up-market product begins to be consumed en masse by a lower socio-economic group. Burberry has argued that the brand's popular association with "chav" fashion sense is linked to counterfeit versions of the clothing. "They’re yesterday's news", stated Stacey Cartwright, the CEO of Burberry. "It was mostly counterfeit, and Britain accounts for less than 10% of our sales anyway."
British comedic rap group Goldie Lookin Chain drive around in a "Chavalier", a Vauxhall Cavalier painted in Burberry tartan. Most of their songs poke fun at Britain's chav culture. The company has taken a number of steps to distance itself from the stereotype. It ceased production of its own branded baseball cap in 2004 and has scaled back the use of its trademarked checkered/tartan design to such an extent that it now only appears on the inner linings and other very low-key positions of their clothing.
It has also taken legal action against high-profile infringements of the brand.
The large supermarket chain Asda has attempted to trademark the word "chav" for a new line of confectionery. A spokeswoman said: "With slogans from characters in shows such as Little Britain and The Catherine Tate Show providing us with more and more contemporary slang, our Whatever sweets – now nicknamed chav hearts – have become very popular with kids and grown-ups alike. We thought we needed to give them some respect and have decided to trademark our sweets."
Chavs also drive certain types of car, such as a highly modified and chromed up Vauxhall Nova (in particular), Vauxhall Cavalier, Ford Sierra, Ford Escort or Austin Metro, usually souped up with alloys, stickers, oversized spoiler, side panels, exhaust pipe and engine, painted white or in some shocking colour, enhanced speakers blasting hip-hop, R&B, garage, drum and bass or rave/jungle music, and chewing whilst being spoken to. Stereotypical chavs tend to sport skinheads, or very short hair with short back and sides and fringe, usually gelled down. However, particularly in northern British cities such as Manchester, it is fashionable for some chavs to sport longer hair and sides in the Mod fashion. "Chavettes" stereotypically wear their hair tightly scraped back into a ponytail or bun, known as the "Council house face lift."
A chav
A girl with a council house facelift (also known as a Croydon facelift)Sources: my own experience in seeing these people on the streets and also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav
I loved chav girls.
Those were the days....
DanSC @ Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:50 am
Any word if Scotland Yard is seeking this man in connection with the riots?

Batsy Batsy:
A girl with a council house facelift (also known as a Croydon facelift)1. She doesn't look too happy.
2. Tying up her hair like that is a good way to pull it all out. It's part of what led black women in the US to end the popularity of corn rows. It's shocking to find out how many black women in their 30's to 50's are wearing wigs because so much of their natural hair had been pulled out due to cornrowing.