'White chavs have become black': David Starkey TV outburst p

David Starkey is, and always will be, a brilliant man. Ghetto culture destroys everything it touches.

There was a programme on the lefty Channel 4 last night about the riots. It was a debate which involved a panel of politicians and experts on the stage and the studio audience.

The audience was very young.

One young guy in the audience started talking, putting his point of view across. As I was not looking at the screen when he started talking I thought he was black. He spoke like a black youth of London does. He spoke with the "black accent" that the youth of London use. "Da guvvermen' hates da yoof, innit?"

When I looked to the screen I saw that he was actually white. In my opinion, he was a white youth acting as though he was a black youth.

Gotta watch your choice of words. And the intelligence of the audience. Gunnair called me a closet bigot because I said that Asians aren't big on camping. And that Asians make up a proportionately larger share of the low income group. I think both of those statements are factual. (Try to wrap your head around that idea that this doesn't mean each and every Asian, but Asians taken as a whole.)

People are just so pc. I was talking to a nurse today about the mother who's suing her obstetrician because he told her she was having a boy but had a girl instead. I added that this woman was white, not Asian. Of course right away she didn't want to go there, yet it's Asian women who abort girls, not whites.

So you guys like this guy and defend him. Bet if he mostly said things you disagree with, you'd call him a bigot too. And there is bigotry in his statement when taken at face value. It says that black culture is gangsta and white isn't. And reverse that, that black pols who speak normal English sound white. The statement is a bit too broad. The football hooligans aren't following gangsta culture, but they get pretty riotous too. And lots of blacks in Britain sound "white". He should have tried to nuance it a bit. Just said black gangsta instead of just black, and mainstream instead of white for the white sounding blacks.

The gangsta culture has infected several groups and nations. Look at how many white and native thugs try and emulate the gangsta talk and look. It's a nasty infection too, that glorifies anarchy, ignorance and violence. I'm sorry but Starkey is a bang on on in labelling a spade a spade, no pun intended.

Look at how many black intellectuals are opposed to the gang culture and its ebonics patois. it's only because Starkey is an old white man saying the same thing that gets the ire of the PC nazis up.

It's just not enough to blame all this on gangster culture. That's just the costume people are wearing. If you think eliminating this particular form of expression will solved the problem you're dreaming. Is it really the case that these "chavs" just decided to copy the Jamaicans, and that's what turned them bad - they were little angels before that? And there are no economic conditions in Britain that make young people hopeless for anything better, they had the whole world as their oyster but they chose to be gangsta's instead? He's right as far as he goes, he just doesn't go very far. If these chavs all dressed and talked like hippies. well then he'd be blaming Hippie for the riots.

To quote an article in today's Sun: "They (riots) are the proof that a section of young Britain - the stabbers, shooters, looters, chancers and their frightened acolytes - have fallen off the cliff-edge of crumbling Britain." Read the whole article (The UK riots: the underclass lashes out) before you get your panties too twisted that she's excusing the rioting.

It wasn't only the disenfranchised that took part in this, so it can't be placed at the feet of the poor.

No one made any excuses up to justify the football hooliganism, Andy. They called it for what it was and that was a pack of drunken thugs were destroying the entire sport with their antics. Gotta call these new criminals the same thing. All it is is more nihilism from a sub-group of borderline-sociopathic jackasses.

I'll say it too right now. Any middle-class or affluent white kids who joined in because it was the thing to do at the moment according to the shitty standards of this utterly vile "youth culture" are worse than the ghetto scum in all of this. And it's genuinely awful that their parents will be able to afford the attourneys that will ensure that they don't see anywhere near the same amount of punishment that their less fortunate brethern from the poor side of town deserve to get.

We've got our wiggers here too, and in the US and they're not rioting. In fact neither are the black gang bangers - that's just bad for business. That's what somebody pointed out about the London riots too - these aren't the real gangsters rioting, again, bad for business. And gangs rely on the tolerance of the community to operate. Burning and looting the people you prey on just isn't a smart move.

So, saying that these white kids are copying the Jamaicans explains exactly nothing.

When I was growing up, in public school shit was pretty normal. Kids dressed normal for a kid anyways. Come grade 7ish and 8 kids started adopting this hip hop look. You HAD to buy hip hop brand clothes. Shit was fucking stupid but come high-school everybody was wearing the whole "gangster look". Some were even trying to talk it, some who I even knew from grade school who never talked like that before.

Mind you my high-school was pretty much 75-80% brown so they wern't all wiggers but that stuff is pretty infectious. With it comes the expected attitude. It comes first with people being pressured into dressing like a gangsta than comes the pressure to act like one. Idk if this guy is racist or not but hes pretty damn bang on.

It's all hip hop's fault.

Fuck free media. Ban it?

/sarcasm

The real question is, on a more serious note of course, how did 1 million Jamaicans manage to culturally cross pollinate British society? Time to look inward before scapegoating someone else. After all, most (on this forum) say they hate multiculturalism, yet Jamaican Britons have integrated, dare I say 100% into British culture, to the point where Patois slang is spoken by a good portion of white British youth.

This is not multiculturalism, this integration at its finest.