Why Do They Get Out
OldChum @ Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:12 am
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/ ... 28987.html
This jerk should have been locked up till trail but not in Canada , we are too nice . It is time perverts do not get bail or release till they prove their innocence. A foreign doctor gee we really screened him well did we not .
leewgrant @ Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:32 am
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WINNIPEG - A foreign doctor accused of sexually assaulting a teenage boy at Health Sciences Centre has gone missing only weeks after a judge agreed to release him on bail despite fears he may flee the country, the Free Press has learned.
Justice sources believe Abdelhamid, 29, may have found a way to sneak out of Canada and, perhaps, even return to his native Libya -- despite the fact he had to turn over his passport after getting bail on June 18.
Justice sources believe Abdelhamid, 29, may have found a way to sneak out of Canada and, perhaps, even return to his native Libya -- despite the fact he had to turn over his passport after getting bail on June 18.
Didn't the Keystone Cops that run our Justice system not realize that the Libyan embassy would just issue him another passport?
Choban @ Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:41 am
Why let him go if they feared he would flee, stupid decision, the judge that granted bail should be fired.
BeaverFever @ Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:43 am
It sucks, but its part of the price we pay for freedom and democracy.
"Guilty until proven innocent" is what they do in dictatorships and places like Libya where this guy is from.
Here, you are innocent until proven guilty and unfortunately that means some guilty people will get away with shit from time to time. Better that than to have innocent people getting locked away, and much harder for corrupt leader to abuse.
Could the bail judge have made a better call on this particular case? Of course. But no system gets it right 100% of the time, and there will always be some number of bad calls and screw ups no matter what reforms we make. Better to have a system where we screw up and let a bad guy go free every once in a while than a system where we screw up and put innocent people behind bars, IMO.
Praxius @ Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:49 am
I haven't had any faith in our justice system for a while, esspecially when I got jumped by 5 punk ass idiots.
The cops caught one, who then gave out all the names of the others who were shortly arrested and charged.
However they were over half a year late getting back to me with a lineup for me to identify them, which of course I wouldn't visually remember these people I've only met the one time during a time I was more concerned with defending myself and keeping them at a distance, half a year ago, and because I didn't properly identify them in the printout lineup, they were let go.
Even though the one guy they caught about 2 minutes after the incident who fled, identified all involved.... even with the several phone calls I got from these idiots trying to convince me to drop charges, while claiming it wasn't them.... at the same time confessing to various reasons why they did what they did ffs.
But the criminals have more rights then the victims in Canada it would seem and most who do the most serious crimes get a couple of years in jail, which in reality is cut down to like 1/3 of that or more, and then released after a few months.
WTF kind of a god damn system do we have here anyways?
There's no such thing as justice anymore in Canada.... all that exists are back door deals and negotiations to reduce the pentalties one faces, while also giving these criminals the benefit of the doubt even when they're proven guilty and then let out after only a couple of months so they can do it all again to someone else or the same person.
This above case is once again a perfect example of how screwed up our justice system is.
BeaverFever @ Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:20 am
that sounds more like sloppy police work than anything else.
But we also hear case after case of wrongfully convicted too, David Milgaard, Steven Truscott, etc. etc. There was that Toronto coroner Dr. Charles smith whose falsified autopsy reports and "expert" testimony resulted in many innocent people being wrongfully convicted of killing their own children.
Not to mention all corrupt cops out there who overstep their bounds on search and seizure, use of force, etc just to make a bust or to teach some mouthy teen or hysterical polish guy a lesson.
OldChum @ Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:26 am
This ah ole got out possibly on a diplomatic passport supplied by family connections in Vienna which makes me start to believe what some say about our border it is a sieve
raydan @ Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:39 am
If his's back in Libya, isn't that a good thing?
One less pedophile here and that's what most people here say when an immigrant commits a crime, "send them back home".
Now, all we need to do is publish his photo and what he's accused of in all the Libyan newspapers and on Libyan TV.
Don't know how they deal with this type of crime there, but hopefully, it's not in a good way. 
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:29 pm
Yep, the justice system is a joke here tho. I had a friend that served 7 years in Kingston simply for defendng his life. I believe the only reason was because he was Jamaican. And before anyone starts, he was a hardworking law abiding citizen.
He was jumped by 5 white guys outside of a bar, one had a knife. My friend's arm was cut open from his shoulder almost to his wrist. He managed to wrestle the knife from the guy and basically gutted him. The other 4 fucked off real quick.
I'd be willing to bet if it had been 5 Jamaicans that jumped 1 white guy and he had been able to do the same thing my friend did, he'd have got off based on self-defence.
poquas @ Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:19 pm
You know, excluding my work which often dealt with the more “troubled souls “and have witness the truly horrible sides of our society, in sixty years I’ve never been arrested. I’ve never had my home robbed. I’ve never been assaulted. My various cars have never been stolen or broken into. None of my family or friends has been robbed, murdered, arrested, or knows anyone who has.
Why are there so many unlucky with personal hard luck people on this particular forum? As a Psychologist, this is fascinating. I first question the truth of the statements and then try to understand if the forum environment draws these people together and what the general socioeconomic group is most represented here and why.
KorbenDeck @ Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:05 pm
Because Canada is full of bleeding hearts for criminals.
Dayseed @ Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:36 pm
Keep in mind folks that S. 515 of the Criminal Code states that a justice shall release on bail unless the prosecutor can show cause why the accused should not be released.
So, the justice is bound by statute to release a person unless the Crown makes a hell of a case why they should stay.
S. 515 continues to show us the reasons why somebody should be denied bail:
1. They ain't gonna show up for court.
2. They gonna mess with the trial by intimidating witnesses or committing other offences.
3. (This is a combo reason)
a. The strength of the Crown's case.
b. The severity of the offence committed
c. The circumstances of the commission of the offence (plus big points if they used a gun.)
d. How long a jail stint will they do if convicted.
Unfortunately, there's a lot of recent case law that strips down the Crown's ability to get people locked up. All of the "3" reasons are being used against the Crown to state that lack of judicial interim release will infringe on their client's S. 10 Charter Rights due to the length of time between arrest and trial. Therefore, if a trial is going to be huge because the police have a wiretap, foreign intelligence, witnesses, agents et cetera, which boosts the strength of the Crown's case, the defence will argue that the necessary courtroom availability won't be for years and this prejudices their client right to a speedy trial. The argument then follows that an appropriate judicial remedy would be to allow interim release.
The Conservative government could upset the apple cart by rewording S. 515 to a Justice may order release instead of shall.
ridenrain @ Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:00 pm
I'm not really bothered by them letting him out. The guy probably had a clean record and was viewed as a low flight risk, and taking his passport would have stopped most people.
I'm far more concerned if it's proven that he's jumped the country. Getting another passport from organized crime or terrorist supporters is going to prove he was probably dirty to start with and should never have been let into the country in the first place.
If he got a passport from the Lybian embassy then we should expell some embassy people because they should never let people escape our justice system. Diplomacy is a 2 way street and we can retaliate if Lybia is suspected to be aiding criminals.
Till then, maybe we should import some Kenian airport security people? 
ridenrain @ Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:55 pm
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MCINTYRE EXCLUSIVE - Foreign doctor fled to Vienna? Police suspect powerful family connections
DATE: Aug 15, 12:44 PM
By Mike McIntyre and Gabrielle Giroday
Winnipeg Free Press
Police and justice officials are investigating whether powerful family connections that extend to Austria might have allowed a Winnipeg doctor to escape prosecution on serious sex charges by fleeing Canada after surrendering his passport.
The Free Press has uncovered new details in the case against Walid Abdelhamid, who was actually born Walid Abdelhamid Menesi but dropped his last name in favour of his middle name when he first arrived from Libya in late 2004.
Abdelhamid, 29, is wanted on two Canada-wide warrants after recently vanishing while free on bail. The development has triggered a complex, international probe and prompted widespread criticism of the legal system for allowing Abdelhamid out of custody, despite Crown warnings he would go on the run.
Sources said Friday Abdelhamid is now believed to be in Vienna, where his Libyan father is a wealthy, high-ranking government official. That has led to speculation Abdelhamid might have found access to a diplomatic passport, despite the fact his own travel documents had been seized by the courts upon his release from jail.
Abdelhamid was in Canada on a training visa. He spent two years in Ottawa before coming to Winnipeg in 2007 to study medicine at the University of Manitoba and work at Health Sciences Centre.
Police are also trying to find his brother, Wisam Menesi, who recently wrapped up his own medical studies in Winnipeg and is believed to be in the process of moving to New Brunswick.
“The police want to find him, to talk to him about what he might know about his brother’s disappearance,” a source said Friday. “They are especially interested in having a look at his passport.”
Police also plan to speak with two other brothers in Ontario. Wail Menesi is currently studying civil engineering at the University of Waterloo, while Wasim Menesi is taking electrical engineering at the University of Guelph. Neither men returned email messages from the Free Press on Friday.
Police are also reviewing all outgoing flights from Winnipeg over the past few weeks to determine whether Abdelhamid was a passenger and, if so, how he managed to board the plane. His vanishing act is especially frustrating for investigators, who predicted Abdelhamid would try to leave Canada. The Free Press has learned police actually phoned WestJet and Air Canada in late June, telling them to keep their eyes open for Abdelhamid.
Abdelhamid was arrested on June 16 and charged with sexually assaulting a teenage boy on two occasions. The victim was a Children’s Hospital patient who was immobilized and on morphine he’d been given for pain relief at the time of the alleged attacks, which occurred 90 minutes apart.
The Crown fought hard to keep Abdelhamid behind bars, saying he would likely flee Canada and never return to face justice if released. They noted he had made at least four recent trips to visit his family in Austria.
However, Provincial Court Judge Patti Umpherville agreed to release Abdelhamid. She ordered him to pay a $5,000 bond, turn over his passport and follow several other conditions, including a curfew and having no contact with any children under the age of 16
Abdelhamid filed a motion on July 15, seeking to amend his bail by returning his passport so he could make a trip to Vienna. He also asked to have his curfew removed and delete a condition that required him to stay away from all medical facilities or clinics, playgrounds, school areas and public swimming areas. Abdelhamid claimed his father had agreed to post a $25,000 cash bail to ensure he followed his bail order.
A Queen’s Bench judge agreed to relax the curfew but rejected his other requests during a July 20 hearing. The cash bail was not increased.
The first warrant for Abdelhamid’s arrest was issued on July 29 when he failed to show up for bail supervision. A second warrant was issued when he failed to appear in court Aug. 11.
The Free Press has learned Abdelhamid cancelled his apartment lease and car insurance last month, which indicate he might have planned on leaving the city. Abdelhamid’s lawyers told court this week they have lost all contact with him.
DATE: Aug 15, 12:44 PM
By Mike McIntyre and Gabrielle Giroday
Winnipeg Free Press
Police and justice officials are investigating whether powerful family connections that extend to Austria might have allowed a Winnipeg doctor to escape prosecution on serious sex charges by fleeing Canada after surrendering his passport.
The Free Press has uncovered new details in the case against Walid Abdelhamid, who was actually born Walid Abdelhamid Menesi but dropped his last name in favour of his middle name when he first arrived from Libya in late 2004.
Abdelhamid, 29, is wanted on two Canada-wide warrants after recently vanishing while free on bail. The development has triggered a complex, international probe and prompted widespread criticism of the legal system for allowing Abdelhamid out of custody, despite Crown warnings he would go on the run.
Sources said Friday Abdelhamid is now believed to be in Vienna, where his Libyan father is a wealthy, high-ranking government official. That has led to speculation Abdelhamid might have found access to a diplomatic passport, despite the fact his own travel documents had been seized by the courts upon his release from jail.
Abdelhamid was in Canada on a training visa. He spent two years in Ottawa before coming to Winnipeg in 2007 to study medicine at the University of Manitoba and work at Health Sciences Centre.
Police are also trying to find his brother, Wisam Menesi, who recently wrapped up his own medical studies in Winnipeg and is believed to be in the process of moving to New Brunswick.
“The police want to find him, to talk to him about what he might know about his brother’s disappearance,” a source said Friday. “They are especially interested in having a look at his passport.”
Police also plan to speak with two other brothers in Ontario. Wail Menesi is currently studying civil engineering at the University of Waterloo, while Wasim Menesi is taking electrical engineering at the University of Guelph. Neither men returned email messages from the Free Press on Friday.
Police are also reviewing all outgoing flights from Winnipeg over the past few weeks to determine whether Abdelhamid was a passenger and, if so, how he managed to board the plane. His vanishing act is especially frustrating for investigators, who predicted Abdelhamid would try to leave Canada. The Free Press has learned police actually phoned WestJet and Air Canada in late June, telling them to keep their eyes open for Abdelhamid.
Abdelhamid was arrested on June 16 and charged with sexually assaulting a teenage boy on two occasions. The victim was a Children’s Hospital patient who was immobilized and on morphine he’d been given for pain relief at the time of the alleged attacks, which occurred 90 minutes apart.
The Crown fought hard to keep Abdelhamid behind bars, saying he would likely flee Canada and never return to face justice if released. They noted he had made at least four recent trips to visit his family in Austria.
However, Provincial Court Judge Patti Umpherville agreed to release Abdelhamid. She ordered him to pay a $5,000 bond, turn over his passport and follow several other conditions, including a curfew and having no contact with any children under the age of 16
Abdelhamid filed a motion on July 15, seeking to amend his bail by returning his passport so he could make a trip to Vienna. He also asked to have his curfew removed and delete a condition that required him to stay away from all medical facilities or clinics, playgrounds, school areas and public swimming areas. Abdelhamid claimed his father had agreed to post a $25,000 cash bail to ensure he followed his bail order.
A Queen’s Bench judge agreed to relax the curfew but rejected his other requests during a July 20 hearing. The cash bail was not increased.
The first warrant for Abdelhamid’s arrest was issued on July 29 when he failed to show up for bail supervision. A second warrant was issued when he failed to appear in court Aug. 11.
The Free Press has learned Abdelhamid cancelled his apartment lease and car insurance last month, which indicate he might have planned on leaving the city. Abdelhamid’s lawyers told court this week they have lost all contact with him.
http://mikeoncrime.com/article/17169/mc ... onnections
herbie @ Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:07 pm
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Yep, the justice system is a joke here tho. I had a friend that served 7 years in Kingston simply for defendng his life. I believe the only reason was because he was Jamaican. And before anyone starts, he was a hardworking law abiding citizen.
He was jumped by 5 white guys outside of a bar, one had a knife. My friend's arm was cut open from his shoulder almost to his wrist. He managed to wrestle the knife from the guy and basically gutted him. The other 4 fucked off real quick.
I'd be willing to bet if it had been 5 Jamaicans that jumped 1 white guy and he had been able to do the same thing my friend did, he'd have got off based on self-defence.
He was jumped by 5 white guys outside of a bar, one had a knife. My friend's arm was cut open from his shoulder almost to his wrist. He managed to wrestle the knife from the guy and basically gutted him. The other 4 fucked off real quick.
I'd be willing to bet if it had been 5 Jamaicans that jumped 1 white guy and he had been able to do the same thing my friend did, he'd have got off based on self-defence.
Once he wrested the knife away, he lost the right of 'escalating' self-defense.
He got 7 years for basically gutting a guy, that's not a very harsh sentence.
Excessive force. That's the law. Not who started it.
(He's have been better off if he'd pulled his own knife and gutted the guy while he still had his. That would be ruled self-defense.