Will Science Someday Rule Out the Possibility of God?
Gunnair Gunnair:
Why would it matter to you if you don't believe ?
Because religion affects everyone whether they believe or not.
Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:
meagan meagan:
Absolutely not!
The universe and every living thing in it is so precise each in harmony with the other that it could not have possibly "just happened" without a designer.
"The wisdom of the world is foolishness to God"
That, as they say, is a leap of faith. I personally say it could have and there's plenty of evidence to suggest it did.
Agreed. The fact that it did happen, is pretty good evidence that it can happen.
sandorski sandorski:
meagan meagan:
Absolutely not!
The universe and every living thing in it is so precise each in harmony with the other that it could not have possibly "just happened" without a designer.
"The wisdom of the world is foolishness to God"
Silly argument. What "Harmony" are you talking about?
In physics terms, that would be the
Anthropic Principle. And it's not such a silly argument. It's been a bone of contention for philosophers and physicists for decades, even centuries.
from the wiki article (actually from Paul Davies "The Goldilocks Enigma":
$1:
1. The absurd universe
Our universe just happens to be the way it is.
2. The unique universe
There is a deep underlying unity in physics which necessitates the Universe being the way it is. Some Theory of Everything will explain why the various features of the Universe must have exactly the values that we see.
3. The multiverse
Multiple universes exist, having all possible combinations of characteristics, and we inevitably find ourselves within a universe that allows us to exist.
4. Intelligent Design
A creator designed the Universe with the purpose of supporting complexity and the emergence of intelligence.
5. The life principle
There is an underlying principle that constrains the Universe to evolve towards life and mind.
6. The self-explaining universe
A closed explanatory or causal loop: "perhaps only universes with a capacity for consciousness can exist." This is Wheeler's Participatory Anthropic Principle (PAP).
7. The fake universe
We live inside a virtual reality simulation.
Which one are you?
Gunnair @ Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:57 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Gunnair Gunnair:
Why would it matter to you if you don't believe ?
Because religion affects everyone whether they believe or not.
Huh. Well, guess you just have to learn to live with it or is the plan to convert the believers?
Gunnair @ Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:58 am
sandorski sandorski:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
There are no atheists in foxholes.
Not true.
You've been in a foxhole or some similar situation have you?
Gunnair @ Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:59 am
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Mmm. I tend to think those under fire will pray.
Actually, Donald Burgett was a genuine atheist in a foxhole. He was one of the Screaming Eagles at Bastogne.
That's one...
andyt @ Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:05 pm
Gunnair Gunnair:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Mmm. I tend to think those under fire will pray.
Actually, Donald Burgett was a genuine atheist in a foxhole. He was one of the Screaming Eagles at Bastogne.
That's one...
Disproves the statement "there are no..." If there's one, there could be more. Doubt if anybody has done a definitive study. Seems to me that many people come thru war or other hellish experiences with their faith in God shattered that He would allow that sort of thing.
Gunnair Gunnair:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Gunnair Gunnair:
Why would it matter to you if you don't believe ?
Because religion affects everyone whether they believe or not.
Huh. Well, guess you just have to learn to live with it or is the plan to convert the believers?
I think we as a society have learned to live with religion and all the good and bad that comes with it. I also believe that we'd be better off without it, but religion will never go away.
I have no desire to direct people away from religion. I will raise my children to be good people just because it's the right thing to do and if they chose to get into religion later in life, that's their choice.
I'm not so sure religion will never go away. If you take the western world for example, congregations seem to shrink every year and more and more people claim no religion. It seems to have some similarity to birth rate, people in first world economies seem to have less children on average than others. I guess with more people concentrating on careers and the numerous other distractions of modern society having children and focusing on belief it doesn't seem as important anymore. I personally predict, even welcome a decline.
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
sandorski sandorski:
meagan meagan:
Absolutely not!
The universe and every living thing in it is so precise each in harmony with the other that it could not have possibly "just happened" without a designer.
"The wisdom of the world is foolishness to God"
Silly argument. What "Harmony" are you talking about?
In physics terms, that would be the
Anthropic Principle. And it's not such a silly argument. It's been a bone of contention for philosophers and physicists for decades, even centuries.
from the wiki article (actually from Paul Davies "The Goldilocks Enigma":
$1:
1. The absurd universe
Our universe just happens to be the way it is.
2. The unique universe
There is a deep underlying unity in physics which necessitates the Universe being the way it is. Some Theory of Everything will explain why the various features of the Universe must have exactly the values that we see.
3. The multiverse
Multiple universes exist, having all possible combinations of characteristics, and we inevitably find ourselves within a universe that allows us to exist.
4. Intelligent Design
A creator designed the Universe with the purpose of supporting complexity and the emergence of intelligence.
5. The life principle
There is an underlying principle that constrains the Universe to evolve towards life and mind.
6. The self-explaining universe
A closed explanatory or causal loop: "perhaps only universes with a capacity for consciousness can exist." This is Wheeler's Participatory Anthropic Principle (PAP).
7. The fake universe
We live inside a virtual reality simulation.
Which one are you?
Undecided.
Lemmy @ Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:39 pm
sandorski sandorski:
Undecided.
You're the king of the one-word post; a tight-lipped motherfucker. You must not be a very generous lover. That almost rhymes.
Lemmy Lemmy:
sandorski sandorski:
Undecided.
You're the king of the one-word post; a tight-lipped motherfucker. You must not be a very generous lover. That almost rhymes.
I'd be too busy Lovin to be talkin.
You can't disprove such a vague concept. Especially when anyone can simply redefine "God" and move the goalposts however they please.
People don't believe in god because of facts. Simply put science has put the creationist theory to pasture in the late 1800s if you simply go by fact. People I think more often believe in god because of personal experience or a need to belong.
To these people I simply point out that people have claimed abduction my aliens, seeing Elvis alive and well, heard audible voices telling them to kill, seen ghosts or other such things, etc etc.
The reason we can't rely on personal experience as an indicator of facts is that our brains are so exceptional at taking static noise and turning it into a variety of experiences.
I don't think that it's so much science that will reduce belief nearly so much as the growth of the human imagination on the human condition.
“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”
Albert Einstein
Do you love your significant other?
2Cdo @ Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:19 am
andyt andyt:
Disproves the statement "there are no..." If there's one, there could be more. Doubt if anybody has done a definitive study. Seems to me that many people come thru war or other hellish experiences with their faith in God shattered that He would allow that sort of thing.
Yes and no. While some might lose faith, others may gain a faith that they previously didn't have.
And still others will not change either way.