Canada Kicks Ass
With dollar at par, Canadian shoppers are up in arms

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PostFactum @ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:32 pm

martin14 martin14:
andyt andyt:

Are you saying that consumer prices are lower in Europe than Canada? Even with their VAT?



No, they are higher, due to the even more social programs and benefits.

The reason that prices are so much higher in Canada vs USA is the extra
social burden that everyone pays for everything.

It's worse in Europe.


However, the only real shock I have seen here is the price of food,
its unreal how much everything costs now.

Other stuff is cheaper here, especially gas. and smokes, but that is direct taxation.



I have seen inflation through the roof in Slovakia, as prices are being
adjusted to European levels.


PF only needs to wait a few years, it will come to bite him in the ass as well,
and he won't be smiling.

It bited me 8 years ago, because of the pain I can't cry anymore, I only smile:-D

   



Zipperfish @ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:34 pm

andyt andyt:
Hasn't happened yet, Bart. Canadians as a whole are smart enough to know they're getting value for their higher taxes. Some like to think they can have Canadian style health care but pay US type taxes, but those are a small, ignorant, minority.



The basis of your argument is that people who don't agree with you are ignorant. I would argue that there is nothing innately stupid about people seeking to maximize their own self-interest.

Taxes have gone up quite a bit in BC in the last few years, especially with the new HST and the carbon tax. I have not seen an equivalent "value" increase in the services I receive. Quite the contrary, I've seen less service from government, a drop in performance of the socialized health care system and more user fees.

You are correct, I don't mind paying higher tazes thatn the US, but that is not a bottomless pot. When I think I'[m being gouged I will act. And when I bought my fated bottle of scotch last year, I reached the decision that I was being gouged.

   



andyt @ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:42 pm

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
andyt andyt:
Hasn't happened yet, Bart. Canadians as a whole are smart enough to know they're getting value for their higher taxes. Some like to think they can have Canadian style health care but pay US type taxes, but those are a small, ignorant, minority.



The basis of your argument is that people who don't agree with you are ignorant. I would argue that there is nothing innately stupid about people seeking to maximize their own self-interest.

Taxes have gone up quite a bit in BC in the last few years, especially with the new HST and the carbon tax. I have not seen an equivalent "value" increase in the services I receive. Quite the contrary, I've seen less service from government, a drop in performance of the socialized health care system and more user fees.

You are correct, I don't mind paying higher tazes thatn the US, but that is not a bottomless pot. When I think I'[m being gouged I will act. And when I bought my fated bottle of scotch last year, I reached the decision that I was being gouged.


People who cut their own throats by only thinking of their short term gain are stupid.

BC has the lowest tax rates in Canada for under $100,000, has been lowering them for a long time. So of course govt services will suffer. Campbell was a very business friendly premier. So if you're being gouged, where is that money going to? And how does shopping in the US help change that?

You're just pissed because booze cost more than in the US.

The problem is that people want what they see in the US - but ask them to give up our benefits, and no way. Or to join with the US so we can enjoy their economies of scale. Can't have it both ways, and the US doesn't really seem to be having it these days - look at Scape's latest Keiser report.

   



CommanderSock @ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:46 pm

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
andyt andyt:
Hasn't happened yet, Bart. Canadians as a whole are smart enough to know they're getting value for their higher taxes. Some like to think they can have Canadian style health care but pay US type taxes, but those are a small, ignorant, minority.



The basis of your argument is that people who don't agree with you are ignorant. I would argue that there is nothing innately stupid about people seeking to maximize their own self-interest.

Taxes have gone up quite a bit in BC in the last few years, especially with the new HST and the carbon tax. I have not seen an equivalent "value" increase in the services I receive. Quite the contrary, I've seen less service from government, a drop in performance of the socialized health care system and more user fees.

You are correct, I don't mind paying higher tazes thatn the US, but that is not a bottomless pot. When I think I'[m being gouged I will act. And when I bought my fated bottle of scotch last year, I reached the decision that I was being gouged.


BC has incredibly low property taxes. I think that's where there's a gaping hole government revenue generation is compared to other provinces. To raise money the government taxes other products. Seriously, people with homes in value of $700,000CDN pay $2000-3000 in taxes what the fuck? In Brampton Ontario, a 247,000 home pays about $3000 in taxes.

So you're gouged in some areas, but let off in others.

   



Brenda @ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:46 pm

You'd think that would be Nunavut...
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html

   



Brenda @ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:48 pm

CommanderSock CommanderSock:
BC has incredibly low property taxes. I think that's where there's a gaping hole government revenue generation is compared to other provinces. To raise money the government taxes other products. Seriously, people with homes in value of $700,000CDN pay $2000-3000 in taxes what the fuck? In Brampton Ontario, a 247,000 home pays about $3000 in taxes.

So you're gouged in some areas, but let off in others.

I'd love you to show me that. I paid more than $2000 last year, and the value of my home does not come close to $700k...

   



CommanderSock @ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:53 pm

Brenda Brenda:
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
BC has incredibly low property taxes. I think that's where there's a gaping hole government revenue generation is compared to other provinces. To raise money the government taxes other products. Seriously, people with homes in value of $700,000CDN pay $2000-3000 in taxes what the fuck? In Brampton Ontario, a 247,000 home pays about $3000 in taxes.

So you're gouged in some areas, but let off in others.

I'd love you to show me that. I paid more than $2000 last year, and the value of my home does not come close to $700k...


It's there. Seen it quite a bit of it on a daily basis when I worked in the taxation department. Municipalities like Surrey have pretty low rates. When you throw in the $570.00 Home Owner's Grant, and if you have a senior at home another $250.00 etc. In Ontario, Milton for example, I've seen homes in value of $300,000 pay annual taxes of $5000. Of course, service delivery in Milton reflects that.

   



CommanderSock @ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:56 pm

Brenda Brenda:
You'd think that would be Nunavut...
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html


BC has the lowest provincial tax rates in Canada.

The other 3 aren't provinces.

   



Zipperfish @ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:56 pm

andyt andyt:
People who cut their own throats by only thinking of their short term gain are stupid.

BC has the lowest tax rates in Canada for under $100,000, has been lowering them for a long time. So of course govt services will suffer. Campbell was a very business friendly premier. So if you're being gouged, where is that money going to? And how does shopping in the US help change that?

You're just pissed because booze cost more than in the US.

The problem is that people want what they see in the US - but ask them to give up our benefits, and no way. Or to join with the US so we can enjoy their economies of scale. Can't have it both ways, and the US doesn't really seem to be having it these days - look at Scape's latest Keiser report.


Again the basis of your argumentis that people who don't agree with you are stupid. You are not likely to get far in swaying people to see your point of view with that approach.

I'm not pissed because booze costs more here. I think I already mentioned that I don't mind paying higher taxes. Do try to pay attention. However, when the difference becomes excessive, then I do get pissed, because I feel like I'm being gouged by a monopoly provider. How does shopping in the US help? First and foremost, the feeling of being gouged goes away. :lol:

   



Brenda @ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:58 pm

CommanderSock CommanderSock:
Brenda Brenda:
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
BC has incredibly low property taxes. I think that's where there's a gaping hole government revenue generation is compared to other provinces. To raise money the government taxes other products. Seriously, people with homes in value of $700,000CDN pay $2000-3000 in taxes what the fuck? In Brampton Ontario, a 247,000 home pays about $3000 in taxes.

So you're gouged in some areas, but let off in others.

I'd love you to show me that. I paid more than $2000 last year, and the value of my home does not come close to $700k...


It's there. Seen it quite a bit of it on a daily basis when I worked in the taxation department. Municipalities like Surrey have pretty low rates. When you throw in the $570.00 Home Owner's Grant, and if you have a senior at home another $250.00 etc. In Ontario, Milton for example, I've seen homes in value of $300,000 pay annual taxes of $5000. Of course, service delivery in Milton reflects that.

Surrey is not "BC". Surrey is only one city.

   



Brenda @ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:59 pm

CommanderSock CommanderSock:
Brenda Brenda:
You'd think that would be Nunavut...
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html


BC has the lowest provincial tax rates in Canada.

The other 3 aren't provinces.

OMFG. Yeah, that way, I can make EVERY statistic prove my point. :roll:

   



CommanderSock @ Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:09 pm

Brenda Brenda:
Surrey is not "BC". Surrey is only one city.


LOL...Would it be obvious if I said I know :).

But property taxes are both municipal and provincial. The provincial rates are the same across the province, the municipal vary by municipalities.

Toronto has some of the lowest municipal tax rates in southern Ontario for example. Toronto taxes are low relative to say Milton, or Mississauga, where municipal portion of taxes are much higher. If Toronto bumped up it's taxes to what they are in Missisauga, or Milton, or Brampton, we would clear the deficit and be able to expand the subway, and have a much sounder ser

As I said, in BC they vary, but they are still far lower on average than in Ontario. Quebec I believe has the highest municipal tax rates. And they even pay school taxes to separate school boards.

   



Zipperfish @ Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:11 pm

CommanderSock CommanderSock:
BC has incredibly low property taxes. I think that's where there's a gaping hole government revenue generation is compared to other provinces. To raise money the government taxes other products. Seriously, people with homes in value of $700,000CDN pay $2000-3000 in taxes what the fuck? In Brampton Ontario, a 247,000 home pays about $3000 in taxes.

So you're gouged in some areas, but let off in others.


In North Vacnouver, where I live, the median price for a house is about $800,000 to $850,000. Although the housing prices are very much higher than most places in Canada, the cost to provide services (sewerage, garbage collection, water, etc) is not, so they would have a hard time justifying the same kinds of rates as places where real estate prices are much lower.

   



raydan @ Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:15 pm

CommanderSock CommanderSock:
As I said, in BC they vary, but they are still far lower on average than in Ontario. Quebec I believe has the highest municipal tax rates. And they even pay school taxes to separate school boards.

Probably depends on the municipality in Québec too.
From the numbers I heard here, not much of a difference.
My house, on the south shore of Montreal, was evaluated at 240,000$ and I was paying about 2700$, municipal and school tax combined.

Of course, the same house outside of Toronto would probably be worth double that, triple or more in Vancouver.

   



bootlegga @ Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:26 pm

Brenda Brenda:
Yep. Of course it depends on what you buy, and I can only speak from experience here and in Holland, but I do not recall paying anything close to the equivalent of $4 for a loaf of bread for example. And that is grocery store bread that I am talking about, nor from the bakery like I bought in Holland.
Gasprices tho are ridiculously high. $2+/liter, and we are bitching now with prices (here) of $1.07.


You're paying $4 for a loaf of bread! 8O

You need to find a Costco or a Wal-Mart Supercentre. I bought three loaves of bread for $5.89 at Costco this week.

You might think you're getting gouged, but lots of stuff always costs more in remote areas compared to the bigger cities. My sister used to drive back to Edmonton (5 hours each way) to do her grocery shopping when she lived in Fort Mac during the 90s.

   



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