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PostFactum @ Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:21 am

Joebine Joebine:
PostFactum PostFactum:
Isn't it separatism?? Together with all Canada you're strong but without Canada Quebec is weak nothing.


It is an opinion. But it's not that of Alberto Alesina, a teacher of Harvard in Economics. He is saying that, economically, there is no problem for Quebec to become independant.

http://archives.vigile.net/ds-actu/docs ... .html#lsrg

But why you need it??

   



Annihilator @ Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:09 am

PostFactum PostFactum:
Joebine Joebine:
PostFactum PostFactum:
Isn't it separatism?? Together with all Canada you're strong but without Canada Quebec is weak nothing.


It is an opinion. But it's not that of Alberto Alesina, a teacher of Harvard in Economics. He is saying that, economically, there is no problem for Quebec to become independant.

http://archives.vigile.net/ds-actu/docs ... .html#lsrg

But why you need it??



Exactly, because you can doesn't mean you should.

   



kenmore @ Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:31 am

Québec will never separate, they are part of the best country and situation in the world. There are a few red neck separatists.. I say a few because when you do the math there a more federalists by far. These guys love to cause shit with their rhetoric, but the majority of people in the province know the truth and that is they would go down the toilet economically and would experience extremely high unemployment and taxation under a PQ run country.

   



PostFactum @ Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:06 am

kenmore kenmore:
Québec will never separate, they are part of the best country and situation in the world. There are a few red neck separatists.. I say a few because when you do the math there a more federalists by far. These guys love to cause shit with their rhetoric, but the majority of people in the province know the truth and that is they would go down the toilet economically and would experience extremely high unemployment and taxation under a PQ run country.

R=UP

   



Joebine @ Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:30 am

kenmore kenmore:
Québec will never separate, they are part of the best country and situation in the world. There are a few red neck separatists.. I say a few because when you do the math there a more federalists by far. These guys love to cause shit with their rhetoric, but the majority of people in the province know the truth and that is they would go down the toilet economically and would experience extremely high unemployment and taxation under a PQ run country.


Well the last poll suggest the situation is a lot more complicated that what you say. This is just simplist.

48,8% of the Quebec people would vote yes for Quebec independance. If we look at the frencophone vote, its close to 60% for. Thats not just a few bigots separatists, thats a major part of the population. Even when the polls are showing little less support at 40% thats a major part of the population.

And to you're opinion on economics, even if it look better to "Canadians", I prefer to listen the opinion of a teacher of Harvard.

The reasons why to do it are huge. To protect our language and culture with the best levers of power is the key in a world where english language is more and more dangerous to minor cultures. Then, to be finally the masters at home, and also only for proud's sake.

My english is not perfect, thats why I prefer french conversation. But to some respectful english people I don't mind to give it a try with english.

   



ASLplease @ Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:41 am

I hope they vote to separate. there's been too many years of Canada paying Quebecer's to be Canadian. It would be better for everyone if we cut the umbilical cord

   



PimpBrewski123 @ Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:25 am

At least Joebine you are trying in the other official language of Canada, it's cool. :)

Btw, the English tunes comment earlier was a joke since it has been previously reported that some Quebecers were complaining about the fact that there was not enough songs in French at Centre Bell for the Habs' game. As for the rest of your post, not so sure about the majority being seperatists. That's it exactly, many Quebecers are indifferent about the issue on sovereignty. Although, it seems to be the concensus amongst separatists to keep having referendums until Quebec is a country of its own. As many as it takes. That's not the way it goes.

Many in the province are satisfied with Federalism. Although, it sure would be nice for the perequation matter to be explained in further details from both sides. Since the French media within QC seems to be reporting that the province does not get its fair share while the ROC media says the complete opposite and that Quebec gets way too much. If so, someone out there is not reporting all the facts. Also, as for the economic factor, a few years ago Francois Legault had manipulated some figures on an eventual Quebec separation, but funny how he suddenly dissapeared from the Parti Quebecois. The Bloc and PQ are rarely contested in the province, therefore it is very beneficial for them at getting votes.

   



Joebine @ Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:47 pm

you are talking about the "budget de l'an 1" de François Legault.

It is always relevent, you can read it there (I'm pretty sure you never looked at the content of this document...) : http://www.francois-legault.com/PDF/Rap ... egault.pdf

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:
Btw, the English tunes comment earlier was a joke since it has been previously reported that some Quebecers were complaining about the fact that there was not enough songs in French at Centre Bell for the Habs' game.


I was also complaining. It is our team and there is a lot of nice french music they could play there. Like Réjean Tremblay said, the Bell center is a major window to spread french culture and show to North America that in Montreal and Quebec exist a nice and vibrant french culture.

   



Joebine @ Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:52 pm

ASLplease ASLplease:
I hope they vote to separate. there's been too many years of Canada paying Quebecer's to be Canadian. It would be better for everyone if we cut the umbilical cord


Yes, it would be of our and your benefit.

   



kenmore @ Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:53 pm

Whose poll are you following Jobine? the out of date separatists who cause shit and hold back Québec's economy because of constant instability? the 48% you are putting on here is pure bullshit.. Any Québecer with a half assed brain wouldn't vote for independance... why would they we are recognized as a nation of people, we benefit from being in the federation and we as Canadians are well respected. No other country is supporting a separate state for Québec, not the US, not Germany, not France ... no country and why is immigration so high? because people want to move to the best country in the world. I was home in Montréal for Christmas and I had a chance to meet a few new Canadians and when I ask them where they immigrated to they replied "Canada" of course.. Québec just happened to be the best province for them.. Really one would be a fool to support separation..

   



kenmore @ Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:03 pm

quote Jobine "The reasons why to do it are huge. To protect our language and culture with the best levers of power is the key in a world where english language is more and more dangerous to minor cultures. Then, to be finally the masters at home, and also only for proud's sake.

That is just crap.. what is Québec going to be? an island onto itself? I agree with protecting the language and culture, I am all for it. But language alone will not get you a good job, won't allow you to move other places for work etc. You will have to remain in Québec to work and live and pay high taxes because there will no longer be support for Ottawa or the rest of Canada. In fact there will be retaliation and other provinces will not be buying Québec's goods and services. Plus other monetary considerations... so I know you are young there Jobine, but for me and my family ( and I have some family who cannot speak English) we will always vote no if there was a referendum and even the PQ don't want one, because they know it would be a waste of time and money..

PS. who is the prof a Harvard again..? would be interested to know.. doubt any prof from Harvard would advocate the break up of Canada... who would want to live in a bankrupt Québec?

   



Annihilator @ Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:18 pm

En fait, créer des lois sur la langue au Québec ne mènera pas à un meilleur français ou à plus de francophones, on ne fait qu'exclure les anglos (avec tout l'argent qui va avec).

Une langue doit vivre parce qu'elle est aimée et chérie par des gens qui la parlent et en sont fiers, pas parce qu'un gouvernement a en-muré un territoire et force les habitants à l'intérieur à parler cette langue.

Le problème avec la souveraineté sur le plan culturel, c'est qu'elle n'est en aucun cas un élément de fierté qui enrichira notre culture, ce n'est qu'une décision politique qui nous éloignera des autres.

   



kenmore @ Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:20 pm

Qui serait la règle de Québec ? Mme.Marois ? serait-elle la reine ? Comment pourriez-vous avoir la démocratie avec une partie politique ? Ou serait-elle la présidente ? La maison du la reine du Québec

   



Annihilator @ Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:26 pm

The leadership in the PQ (or should I say lack of) is another major problem with Quebec's separation, obviously

   



Joebine @ Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:42 pm

kenmore kenmore:
the 48% you are putting on here is pure bullshit.. Any Québecer with a half assed brain wouldn't vote for independance...


QUOTE Kenmore= No no no, I don't wanna see the evidence ! Everyone (48%) of Quebec people are dumb except me !

   



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