Canada in Afghanistan: Top Ten Under-reported Facts

They don't use DU rds anymore! They have been gone since the late 90s. Damn I could write some BS and some people would believe it also.
As for name calling, I like to say sorry. I get alil pissed. When uninformed, or OOOO I read it in the Star. It's true, yes it's true.
And I and others don't die for or superiors, we defend you. And die for Canada. I will say again, if you and other ever require us, we will stand guard. We won't like it, but will.

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27 in the military, 9 tours.

DU ammo has been used in Bosnia and the whole Iraq is covered with it, resulting in the crippling and deaths of literally tens of thousands of US and allied soldiers from the radiation. There are veterans organizations in the USA and in Europe, demanding justice and compensation. All soldiers serving in those areas are under a virtual sentence of death. 
 
Then there are the millions of civilian casualties that will go on forever, deformed babies born in the radiated areas and fathered by returning soldiers in the US and EU. 
 
Go to google and type in "Health effects of DU ammunition", 
or "US veterans against DU", who are beginning to see the effects on their bodies. There are many sites and thousands of articles on DU on the Net and in many books. 
 
The evidence is overwhelming, yet these criminals are still producing and are planning to use more. 
 
Ed Deak, Big Lake, BC. 
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U.S. Veterans to March Against DU ('Depleted' Uranium) 
 
 
UN Observer 
 
February 7, 2006 
 
Veterans from many wars and many parts of NY State, their familiies and allies will march in Albany on February 7th from the Legislative Office Building to the nearby Vietnam Memorial where they will speak in support of a bill which will benefit N Y National Guard soldiers returning today from Iraq and Afghanistan. 
 
The NY STATE DU TESTING AND HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS TASK FORCE BILL will take responsibility for addressing the mysterious symptoms suffered by our NY National Guard soldiers returning from war. These are often diagnosed as "undisclosed illnesses." 
 
It will assist the New York soldier in getting the most advanced test for detecting exposure to radioactive "depleted" uranium(U238), a product of uranium enrichment used in U.S. weapons and tank amour. The bill also mandates a Task Force to set up a health registry of NY National Guard soldiers, to investigate the health effects from exposure to radioactive and hazardous chemicals and the precautions recommended for combat zones. No NY taxpayer funds are to be used. 
 
Assemblymen Jeffrey Dinowitz (D-Bronx), Kevin Cahill (D-Ulster County), and other Co-sponsors will introduce this bill at a Press Conference at the Legislative Office Building at 11:00 on February 7. The Veterans March, to set off immediately after, will be led by Iraq Vets Sgt Gerard Matthew and SSG Raymond Ramos, who are both ill and have tested positive along with other members of their Units, for radioactive U238. Sgt Matthew's baby girl, Victoria, was born with the same birth anomaly, missing fingers, seen in Iraq babies since 1991 when the U.S. began fifteen years of bathing Iraq with radioactive "depleted" uranium. 
 
"My husband went to Iraq to fight for his country," Janice Matthew said, " I feel the Army should take responsibility for what's happened." 
 
For info about Albany event or this bill, contact Joan Walker 845 679-6938 or Angela Morano 845 246-8952. 
 
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Dear Armyguy
It is exactly the actions outlined in the article bearing the title “Radical Evil: Desperation Time for Bush in Iraq” that men of conscience will reject.

This is the fraternity to which you belong, the brotherhood of the soldier.
This fraternity will be ordered what to do.
Whatever soldiers are told is only in the interest of the teller.

You have made a claim in regard to what the civil part of the population, civilians believe and how gullible they are for doing so.
Does this not apply to the common soldier as well or are you somehow trained to have greater insights to the geo-political?
A standing army on home ground is reasonable for defence once deployed on foreign soil defence becomes offence and you are no longer protecting you are attacking.
You have now entered into the game of war
In the cases of Iraq and Afghanistan your war club, that club you have made a career of, is an aggressor on foreign soil.
I see little point in urging you to consider the consequences of your obedience as you must adhere to only the voice of your masters, however, I do urge you to think , that is actually examine that which you willingly give obedience to.

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Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding.
Ezra Pound

So what would you like? For us to sit back and wait for them to hijack another plane? or explode a bomb in the subway in TO? or maybe blowup the CN tower?
Tell me, OOOO please tell me. Then tell all the families, OOO I wanted the Army to wait. I know your husband, wife, child is died, but, I didn't like they were preventing or at least trying to prevent it. People here say they cannot hurt us, they have not planes? no ships?. No they don't but they do have bombs.
Remember thats where they live. If you have a small ant problem, don't you stop it then? or wait for it to grow? If you have one mouse, do you not trap it then, or wait for a family of mice?
Don't the police go to a criminal's home, if they know where he lives, or do they wait until he is caught in the act again?
OOOO please tell me. We have taken the fight to him. And if you and others say, we're peacekeepers? Tell me who is one side and who is the other. They don't wear uniforms, they don't wear badges? They are terrorists, something Canada has not had to really to deal with. Yes the FLQ. But they were caught. Then most became well payed terrorists, with books, and businesses.
Maybe we as Canadians have been sheltered from the real world.
WELL FELLA, THE REAL WORLD IS AN EVIL AND SCARY PLACE. GO THERE AND SEE. EVEN IF IT IS NOT AFGHANISTAN. GO SEE THE REAL WORLD AND NOT THE ONE YOU SEE ON TV.
Maybe you and others that don't believe in what we are doing can go and just talk, they may have a soccer game? The Taliban loves to play soccer, with foreigners. But if your stuck, don't waste the tax payers money, and have us come and get you.
Growup Canada, and see the real world.

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27 in the military, 9 tours.

Bosnia? Well I was there for many tours. And US tanks never fired rds there? Dutch, Brit, and our Leo Tanks cannot fire any. Just because they are SABOT rds does not mean the are DU. It just means they are Fin Stabilized. Our Tanks only fire 105mm, Dutch fire 105mm, and the Brits have 120mm Bag charge. Only the US M1A1/2 fire 120mm cased rds. They were the only tanks in Bosnia.
As stated, DU rds are NOT used and have NOT been used since the mid/late 90s.

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27 in the military, 9 tours.

I always thought that the Canadian Armed Forces was actually a make-work project in diguise, for Quebecois. Who knows, it was also funded by the ad scandal.

ArmyGuy must be an exception. I feel sorry for him, think about it: 27 years and 9 tours, and still no peace. What a track record.

One can be patriotic without being militaristic.

Growup and see the real world. That includes a world where our best friend, Uncle Sam, creates the terrorists that it then expects us to fight and kill and risk our own soldiers lives fighting and killing on its behalf. The Jihad Schoolbook Scandal... Why has the US been Shipping Muslim Extremist Schoolbooks into Afghanistan...for 20 Years? And why is President Bush hiding it? By Jared Israel [Posted 9 April 2002] Washington Post investigators report that during the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan. "The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then [i.e., since the violent destruction of the Afghan secular government in the early 1990s] as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books..." -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (1) According to the Post the U.S. is now "...wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism." So the books made up the core curriculum in Afghan schools. And what were the unintended consequences? The Post reports that according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in [Islamist] violence." How could this result have been unintended? Did they expect that giving fundamentalist schoolbooks to schoolchildren would make them moderate Muslims? ============= Let's be reasonable ============= Nobody with normal intelligence could expect to distribute millions of violent Islamist schoolbooks without influencing school children towards violent Islamism. Therefore one would assume that the unnamed US officials who, we are told, are distressed at these "unintended consequences" must previously have been unaware of the Islamist content of the schoolbooks. But surely someone was aware. The US government can't write, edit, print and ship millions of violent, Muslim fundamentalist primers into Afghanistan without high officials in the US government approving those primers. <a href="http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/jihad.htm">The Jihad Schoolbook Scandal</A> It's also a world where Western intelligence agencies and military services have in the past used false flag terror attacks (or planned to use false flag terror attacks,e.g. <a href="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html">Operation Northwoods</a>) to confuse naive and gullible populations into accepting the need for crackdowns on civil liberties, to turn to the state for "protection." Sword Play: Attacking Civilians to Justify "Greater Security" You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security." This was the essence of Operation Gladio, a decades-long covert campaign of terrorism and deceit directed by the intelligence services of the West -- against their own populations. Hundreds of innocent people were killed or maimed in terrorist attacks -- on train stations, supermarkets, cafes and offices -- which were then blamed on "leftist subversives" or other political opponents. The purpose, as stated above in sworn testimony by Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra, was to demonize designated enemies and frighten the public into supporting ever-increasing powers for government leaders -- and their elitist cronies. First revealed by Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti in 1991, Gladio (from the Latin for "sword") is still protected to this day by its founding patrons, the CIA and MI6. Yet parliamentary investigations in Italy, Switzerland and Belgium have shaken out a few fragments of the truth over the years. These have been gathered in a new book, "NATO's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe," by Daniele Ganser, as Lila Rajiva reports on CommonDreams.org. Originally set up as a network of clandestine cells to be activated behind the lines in the event of a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, Gladio quickly expanded into a tool for political repression and manipulation, directed by NATO and Washington. Using right-wing militias, underworld figures, government provocateurs and secret military units, Gladio not only carried out widespread terrorism, assassinations and electoral subversion in democratic states such as Italy, France and West Germany, but also bolstered fascist tyrannies in Spain and Portugal, abetted the military coup in Greece and aided Turkey's repression of the Kurds. Among the "smoking guns" unearthed by Ganser is a Pentagon document, Field Manual FM 30-31B, which details the methodology for launching terrorist attacks in nations that "do not react with sufficient effectiveness" against "communist subversion." Ironically, the manual states that the most dangerous moment comes when leftist groups "renounce the use of force" and embrace the democratic process. It is then that "U.S. army intelligence must have the means of launching special operations which will convince Host Country Governments and public opinion of the reality of the insurgent danger." Naturally, these peace-throttling "special operations must remain strictly secret," the document warns. Indeed, it would not do for the families of the 85 people ripped apart by the Aug. 2, 1980 bombing of the Bologna train station to know that their loved ones had been murdered by "men inside Italian state institutions and ... men linked to the structures of United States intelligence," as the Italian Senate concluded after its investigation in 2000. <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html">Sword Play: Attacking Civilians to Justify "Greater Security"</a> We therefore also live in a world where, judging by recent history, we are forced to wonder just who might be working behind the scenes to instigate the terror attacks (or at least ensure the attacks go ahead without effective counter measures) that are used with such great effect today to work some of us up into a righteous state of indignation against the heathen fanatics - the fanatics who we are repeatedly told want nothing more than to come "over here" and kill all of us infidels should the attempts to turn us all into Muslim fanatics like themselves fail. This questioning goes even to the seminal terrorism event of 9/11 itself. We know the neocon PNAC group backing Bush (and to which many important figures in his administration belong) advised in a position paper that the US could really use a "New Pearl Harbor" attack to spur the American public on with the necessary enthusiams for engaging in the wars they saw as essential to cement a global US hegemony and "Pax Americana." America ‘Pearl Harbored’ Fanatical Warhawks Drafted Blueprint for Bloody U.S. World Domination Years Ago The cabal of war fanatics advising the White House secretly planned a “transformation” of defense policy years ago, calling for war against Iraq and huge increases in military spending. A “catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor”—was seen as necessary to bring this about. Continued at: <a href="http://www.americanfreepress.net/12_24_02/America_Pearl_Harbored/america_pearl_harbored.html">America ‘Pearl Harbored’</a> More PNAC info at: <a href="http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/pnac.html">www.tvnewslies.org/html/pnac.html</a> How convenient for the neocon PNACers that 9/11 occurred just at the critical juncture they were looking for their "New Pearl Harbor" and the Shrubenfuhrer was looking around for any excuse he could find to invade the first target on the PNAC supplied list of "evildoers to be taken care of." <a href="http://www.911truth.org">www.911truth.org</a> <a href="http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646">The top op 15 reasons to doubt the official story of Sept. 11, 2001</a> A few words from an old Nazi, Herman Goering, seem appropriate here: "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." <a href="http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm"> Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials</a> It also means a real world in which our closest ally and friend, on whose behalf we are waging war, freely and without hesitation uses weapons of mass destruction on their enememy of the day and the civilian inhabitants of the enemy country (and incidentally not without blowback on their own soldiers), while publicly engaging in much handwringing, propaganda and hyperbole over enemy "evildoers" alleged plans to aquire WMDs of their own. <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4124449">"The Health Effects of Depleted Uranium in Iraq,"</a> A presentation by Thomas Fasy MD PhD, Mount Sinai School of Medicine NY. <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=SHR20060302&articleId=2057">Depleted Uranium is "blowing in the wind"</a> Yes people, I concur, please do growup and see the real world. Don't just unthinkingly swallow the propaganda and brainwashing that you are fed by corporate media shills on the 11 o'clock news each night. Fron Brainwashing America by Dr. Norman Livergood (a former Department Head at the US Army War College): The puppet Bush regime is using new, aggressive forms of brainwashing to change the very way Americans think and feel. This is the psychological dimension of the demonic cabal's general onslaught against American workers, just as the "war on terrorism" is the military dimension and corporate crime and tax cuts for the rich comprise the economic dimension. We are living under the beginning stages of a military dictatorship in precisely the same way that 1930s Germans suffered under the Nazi regime. As in the case of Nazi Germany, state-sponsored propaganda (brainwashing) is a vital part of the Bush regime's strategy. New propaganda slogans are being overtly and subliminally implanted by Bush and his gang through their speeches and actions: * Dissent is treason * Constitutional liberties are less important than security * The "war on terrorism" excuses any attack on civil liberties * The Bush administration has the right and the duty to bring about "regime change" in any nation it chooses * The economy is basically sound * Only a few bad apples are found in the corporate barrel, which requires no new oversight laws * If Bush and Cheney say they're not guilty of corporate crimes, then believe it and shut up * It's okay to lie about weapons of mass destruction as a pretext of starting a pre-emptive war against Iraq * The election in 2004 was completely fair and legal * Karl Rove can out a CIA agent and not have to face any legal repercussions * Using the Republican Party strangle-hold on the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government to institute a dictatorship is okay SNIP In an earlier article, I reviewed the varied aspects of personality profiling and simulation. While serving as Head of the Artificial Intelligence Department at the U.S. Army War College, 1993-1995, I conducted studies on profiling, psychological programming, and brainwashing. I explored and developed personality simulation systems, an advanced technology used in military war games, FBI profiling, political campaigning, and advertising. Part of my discovery was that: * unenlightened human minds are combinations of infantile beliefs and emotional patterns * these patterns can be simulated in profiling systems * these profiling systems can be used to program and control people Personality simulation systems are being used to create political campaigns that apply voter profiles to control their voting behavior. TV commercials and programs use personality simulation to profile viewers to control their purchasing and viewing behaviors. And sophisticated propaganda and brainwashing techniques are being used by the Bush junta to keep American citizens under control. <a href="http://www.hermes-press.com/brainwash1.htm">Brainwashing America</a>

"HE-HE-HE-HE-HE"
a STAR GIGGLER!
BRAVO
WELL STATED

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Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding.
Ezra Pound

And what are you saying. The US made up 911?. You cannot compare Iraq with Afghanistan. I and others have no problem going to Afganistan. To us, we know what we do there. We don't have to go, if we don't want. Yes, if you say no. You just DAG red and don't go. If your wife has a problem you going you don't go. I know there has not been anyone that does not wish to go. I'm going on my third tour there.
So why does Joe Canada? Because they think if it as a US lead mission.
It was supported by the UN and NATO. There are Brits,French, former Warsaw Pac countries. So it's not just us and the Brit/US.
I am not a warmonger, I am a soldier that hates being called a peacekeeper. I and others joined to soldier. Just as my GFather 30 yrs 1915-1945 WW1/WW2, and Father 32 1943- 75 WW2/Korea/UN/NATO did. Yes they served during the wars, but stayed.
Only a war trained soldier can peacekeep. Peacekeeping soldier cannot fight a war. And that is what it is.
We lost our respect from other countries during Bosnia, the Kool Aid Bde we were called. Now we are getting it back and have to keep it..

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27 in the military, 9 tours.

Your knowledge of armoured warfare is impressive. However, your missing the point.

The person you are arguing with was not speaking specifically about DU tank rounds, but about DU IN GENERAL, which is a cheap, dense metal used extensively in many applications in the US military, from armour plating to A-10 ammo to AH-64 ammo. It's EVERYWHERE. They continue to maintain it is not dangerous to your health. Yet veterans continue to maintain it is, as do numerous health studies.

If you can find any kind of official statement from the U.S. military that they have stopped using DU in all applications that come in contact with their soldiers, please produce it. If you cannot, the logical conclusion is that it is still being used, because it is a cheap radioactive slag by-product of nuclear energy, that makes a very dense, solid piece of metal. Why would they stop using that?

Sounds like a pis**** contest! Sorry!

always thought that the Canadian Armed Forces was actually a make-work project in diguise, for Quebecois. Who knows, it was also funded by the ad scandal.

ArmyGuy must be an exception. I feel sorry for him, think about it: 27 years and 9 tours, and still no peace. What a track record.

One can be patriotic without being militaristic.

HAHAHA, funny. But in your Bio. It should say Bus driver. Is that what they call a Transport Engineer?

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27 in the military, 9 tours.

Thanks
I do know , DU rds are not used any more and M1 Armour is not DU. The old SABOT rds were, now they are High Carbon Steel. They cannot penatrate as well, but a Rd going 2000-4000m/s does not need it. The problem was that the DU rds would shatter and the gases. It is not the rds as stated, but as the rd heats up (Fired) , DU gases convert it to a 30 RAD piece of radioactive crap. 30 Rads is not that much, the Sun burn gives more or in a watch you have is about 10 Rads. But over time it is digested and inhaled this is the problem.
As for the AH64/A10? I'm not an Airforce fella.
Canada does not have any thing. C2 Leo Tanks, could only fire 105MM Cased rds. NO DU rds there. WE don't have Leos in Afghanistan and we are getting rid of them any way. We are the only country with no Tanks.
The Coyote and LAV IIIs only fire 25mm SABOT and 25mm FRAG rds. No DU there.
So as for DU rds being used, o well. It's no worse that working in a coal mine.

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27 in the military, 9 tours.

I see you have chosen to ignore the admonishments DC cautioned you with. You do your case no good by copping an attitude.
Should I choose to do so I can slice and dice what passes for argument from you armyguy for example you would have us believe your view is exact
It is not
Take this bit of drivel for example >>> “So what would you like? For us to sit back and wait for them to hijack another plane? or explode a bomb in the subway in TO? or maybe blowup the CN tower?”
I will assume the question has been put to me
Then you supply your answer in the form of idiotic presuppositions.

The “them” to which you refer have had more than enough time to rain down a Jihad, a guerrilla Jihad where there are no Uniforms!! No visible means of detection
It worked in Nam and it will work in Afghanistan and Iraq.
You have some misguide belief thw us good them bad

In short you are an idiot or at least behave like one
Your way has enflamed the situation
You comrades-in-arms are killed
As a result of your actions
Their deaths are on your head
And their blood on your hands and you revel in it
You are the “little man” Wilhelm Reich warned of in “Listen Little man”
Google it
You may find it on line
You are a pitiful fool
And strike out at the wrong target but in your own mind you are right and righteous

The reality is you are and have profaned those words

right (adj.1)
"morally correct," O.E. riht "just, good, fair, proper, fitting, straight," from P.Gmc. *rekhtaz (cf. O.H.G. reht, Ger. recht, O.N. rettr, Goth. raihts), from PIE base *reg- "move in a straight line," also "to rule, to lead straight, to put right" (see regal; cf. Gk. orektos "stretched out, upright;" L. rectus "straight, right;" O.Pers. rasta- "straight, right," aršta- "rectitude;" O.Ir. recht "law;" Welsh rhaith, Breton reiz "just, righteous, wise"). Cf. slang straight "honest, morally upright," and L. rectus "right," lit. "straight," Lith. teisus "right, true," lit. "straight." Gk. dikaios "just" (in the moral and legal sense) is from dike "custom." The noun sense of "just claim" was in O.E. and P.Gmc. As an emphatic, meaning "you are right," it is recorded from 1588; use as a question meaning "am I not right?" is from 1961. The phrase to rights "at once, straightway" is 1663, from sense "in a proper manner" (M.E.). The sense in right whale is "justly entitled to the name." Phrase right off the bat is 1914, earlier hot from the bat (1888), probably a baseball metaphor; right stuff "best human ingredients" is from 1848, popularized by Tom Wolfe's 1979 book about the first astronauts. Right on! as an exclamation of approval first recorded 1925 in black slang, popularized mid-1960s by Black Panther movement. Right of way is attested from 1768.

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Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding.
Ezra Pound

So you would want us to wait. Their deaths would be on your hands.
My brothers blood is not on my hands. It is on those that wish to not believe in us. AS you.
You are a uninformed person. Who takes info from people that have not been there, or do not understand.
Get off your ass and go see and talk to an Afghan person. Ask them if we should be there. I know they are glad we are there.

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27 in the military, 9 tours.