1  2  3  4  Next

<strong>Written By:</strong> 4Canada
<strong>Date:</strong> 2006-03-20 08:59:00
<a href="/article/195913801-get-out-of-iraq-that-s-americas-only-option">Article Link</a>

First, the scorecard in Iraq.

Dead: 2,300 Americans and at least 38,000 Iraqis. Number maimed: unknown. Displaced: unknown. Homes destroyed: unknown. Infrastructure: in shambles, with water, electricity and sewage services operating below pre-war levels. Insurgency: raging. Cost: $300 billion. Biggest beneficiaries: defence contractors close to the Bush administration.


<a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0319-27.htm">http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0319-27.htm</a>

   

Yes, I agree they should get out of Iraq and it's a crime that they are there in the first place. I'm afraid of what will happen if they win. It will be like a license to police the world. War should be so hopeless and costly that it will only be tried as a last resort.

   

WOW!!!
Wishing failure upon America because you're afraid of who they might save in the future. Do you realize that you actually just said you'd prefer for a population the size of Canada's to live in tyranny and fear again? Seriously, you did. Do you really think it all would have been cool if we just left Saddam there? Sure, people are dead, but they're definitely NOT worse off now than under Saddam. Maybe the people who were in his regime, or happened to be the same religion as him, but not anyone else! Not Kuwait!
And complaining about the casualties, seriously, America isn't making the Islamofascists fight the democracy!
Biggest beneficiaries: Iraqis!!! Christians and Jews all over the world who have one less tyrant funding terrorists.
And it's as though you really only paid attention to what you wanted to see from the start. Americans have been leaving steadily for the past two years and don't plan on stopping. They will leave, but leaving before the country is safe is absolutely ridiculous and smacks of epic cowardess. The Iraqi military will be able sooner or later, but until it is America can't leave.
Plus, did you ever wonder how much destruction is actually being done by America?
Whether or not you think we should have gone doesn't matter anymore, but there is now way the world will win if we just pull out now, but a democratic Iraqi state, yeah...that would be nice.

   

You go by the assumption first that democracy would be better for them. Secoundly, i'm sure more people have suffered and died SINCE their god fearing protectors came than in the ENTIRE reign of Saddam. Going into a house and MURDERING a family of thirteen people does not smack of the reign of Saddam. And if they do win it will give them licence to go into any country for ANY reason. They went into Iraq for, I can't really recall because it was all LIES.

   

Sorry, I meant doesn't it smack of the reign of Saddam.

   

All lies?<br />
He really did violate the treaty from Gulf War 1; it was a totally legal war. He didn't cooperate with the searches, and he had scuds that flew too far.<br />
Mass graves, invading Kuwait, torture chambers, innocent slaughter, rape etc. We didn't have the best evidence, but how long should we have waited? Until he really did have nukes and biological gases? Iraq was hardly the Vatican City, so the burden of proof shouldn't have been high at all.<br />
As for Americans slaughtering Iraqis...prove it. Really, I haven't heard that kind of claim in a really long time. All I hear are Islamofascists killing everyone they can, and American and Iraqi troops doing their best to fight them off. The counter I trust has 1607 civilians dead this year at the hands of extremists and 23 at the hands of Americans, and that includes the nutters who drive full speed up to roadblocks etc. <br />
And yes, democracy would be better for them. It was better before the theocracy came in and it was working, well, it can work again. We just need to get rid of the types of people that Saddam was employing during his reign.<br />
I generally don't like much of what cnn publishes (Mr Turner and I don't see eye to eye). But yeah, I really liked this story <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/03/17/iraq.anniversary/?section=cnn_latest">http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/03/17/iraq.anniversary/?section=cnn_latest</a><br />
And yes, I all but guarantee that oil was one of the reasons they chose Iraq. Well, since every Middle Eastern, islamofascist nation has one it would be hard to find one that didn't, but oil provides Iraqis with an immediate place in the market, and an opportunity to become competitive rapidly.

   

Well if you look I didn't say the Americans killed all the Iraqis. While the Americans were protecting them they were killed. But its still their responsibility to protect the civilian once they went in and declared (Victory). Now even you have to admit that not as many people would have died under Saddam. And I don't believe they had skuds, they were a shorter range missile. and they were in the process of dismantling those when the U.S. attacked. And why should they not have the means to protect themselves. They have a rather large enemy in Iran or Isreal

   

Well yeah, when you pay people to kill Israelis then you really are asking for trouble, and invading Iran too...really super idea on Saddam's part.
Maybe not as many would have died, I don't know and I wouldn't care to fathom a guess. Saddam didn't exactly go public with the news, but at least Iraqis today have some hope. And the Americans DO have a responsiblity to protect the Iraqis today, and they're doing their best. That's why they haven't left yet and don't plan to until the Iraqi military is strong enough.
Maybe it was a shorter range missle, it doesn't matter, it exceeded the range, and he failed to cooperate with inspections. No one disputes that legality of the war. Historically terribly evil man continuing to be evil and America took him out. Iraq might fall apart, and it might be the beacon of democracy in the Middle East that we need. But I can say with absolute certainty that if we had sat around and waited for guys like Saddam to just come around, well, let's just say we'll none of us remember what a Macintosh is anymore.

   

It sounds to me like you enjoy the killing. George wanted a war at all costs. That much is obvious. Distroying missiles was just smoke and mirrors. He wanted the oil and more subservient Iraqis. If you remember, Saddam was Americas friend even when he was fighting Iran and gassing the Kurds. It wasn't until kuwait when he stepped on their toes that the honeymoon was over. Bush is as far as I can tell the most corrupt and evil man on the planet. Sounds like you get your information from fox news. And as for an attempt to kill your president. Of course, they were at war. This seems to like a game to most Americans. Your president LIED to start the conflict and as long as your republicans hold congress he knows he can do anything he wants. You don't have a president. You have a dictater.<br />
And as for Israel, they have been murdering palestinians for years and noone took notice. <br />
<a href="http://www.ifamericansknew.org/">http://www.ifamericansknew.org/</a><br />

   

Yeah, conflict in Israel? Newsflash. Too bad the Palestinians have been slaughtering Israeli civilians for years, and many are hell bent not on cohabitation, but on the destruction of Israel. Again, they can become citizens of Israel any day they choose.
And yeah, I don't watch Fox news but...whatever, I guess you prefer your government funded Canadian news media. That seems like a totally impartial and fair way for the news to come out...let the government decide!! hoooraaaaay, they surely could only be promoting bipartisan and honest news to us. Bless our country. At least our media seems free compared to Russia's!!
But yeah, they were at war and he was aggressive as well, you can't make other people look good because of what America did. And please do explain to me how you can possibly criticize America for failing to take military action when Saddam was doing those terrible things and criticize them now that they are? Really, I'm pretty sure you and everyone else I've encountered on this site needs to find out which country did it before they think it was right or wrong. But here's another fun trivia fact! Canada, the UN, China, Japan, Tibet and everyone else you might like also did NOTHING to stop Saddam's past tyranny. You can't give 100% of the blame to the US 100% of the time.
As for the oil, I'm pretty sure there's a food for oil deal and a transfer of ownership to the Iraqi people with no input from any foreign ruler but I can see how that would allow the Americans to steal it, those treacherous snakes. Then again, if you dislike having a supply of oil from another democratic nation, and will miss the days of buying it from Theocratic Iran, or the Saudi royal family then I can understand how you're upset that Iraqis might get to be free.
Let's play the name to loser game! Let's say that it really is all about oil, and the US is just doing to take a powerful supply away from a murderous tyrant (hell, even that sounds good to me, but let's pretend it's a bad thing for a minute), who lost? The Iraqis who get to be free, the international community for getting carpal tunnel from wagging their fingers all day, or the terrorists, who lost a major source of income and a friendly nation? Not the Iraqis, so who cares!!!??? Nobody important lost. American troops died, and that's a terrible thing, but they knew the risks when they signed up to serve. They were ready and willing to die for their nation's freedom, and President Bush realized a way to help secure America and bring freedom to another country. They died for freedom as heroes, not as whiny hippie protestors lamenting their bravery and valour.

   

"The Iraqis who get to be free"
Just who do you think is free.. Americans. Guess again. Americans have been dumbed down by the corporate media for so long and the only free thinkers are your so called hippies and civil libertarians. Most of you beat the drum of war which allows you to sit on your couch and watch the score pile up in your favour. As your Jesus would say "Do unto others". Iraq should have been left to sort out their own problems. Not have a foriegn thug dictate thier future. You get your news from CNN as per your link. One of the corporate media plutocracy. You like that one because it reads like a movie script. It probably has about as much original content as a movie script.

America has a long list of dictators who have pushed their agenda in many countries and most have been brutal and cruel. Yet these dictators are touted as friends because they keep material flowing for the wealthy over a horribly oppressed populace. Iraq is no different. They would put Adolf Hitler in charge if he were alive to keep the oil flowing. All this war is is preserving their rule in the oil industry.

   

I'll reply to you in a while
I just had to say
"For someone with such a username, you skip a few steps there. "
Up yours again Dr Caleb, you earned any insults I've given you.

   

cool, that's the one I was thinking about. Wrote that before things were clarified. Sorry about the above post.
And yes, Americans are the ones who are free, so free that they can even afford to be ignorant of almost everything around them. But really, that's a whole lot of freethinking people who generally agree with what goes on the six o'clock news every night. 66% of people conform, that's been proven, in every stream of thought, and probably around 80% of those people deny that they conform. More realistically 100% of the people conform 66% of the time. Please don't think you're above it.
And I'm pretty sure "most people" really don't agree with the war in Iraq, especially not where I'm from. I vote for the losing party in my riding, hate rap music with a passion and think Tim Hortons coffee tastes like glorified dirt. That doesn't mean I'm above conformity, I still drink coca-cola and...Tim Horton's coffee. It's just there, and I don't care enough to dissent, it's there so I accept it. That's why incumbants win; complacency.
As for Jesus, I really love Him, and if He never abandoned the earth, why would we abandon Iraq? He said love thy neighbour as thyself, and that everyone is your neighbour. Really, if I were an Iraqi, especially if I were a Christian Iraqi, I'd be more than happy if someone came and helped me out. Love thy neighbour has nothing to do with ignoring them and their problems.
And I do not get my news from CNN, I get it from textbooks, 2 newspapers and several different websites. I posted that story because it was very much against the trend of what CNN publishes. If you want to call that story a lie then fine. You'll be doing so on the same grounds as if I said "There have been no deaths in Iraq, it's all a big conspiracy to coverup the jobs they've been outsourcing there." Pure speculation and nothing else.
Plus, Iraq has 16% of the world's oil. Saudi Arabia has 60%. If the war were only about oil, which I've still yet to hear the slightest shread of evidence that it is, or how that could possibly mean America should abandon Iraq now.
And they'd put Hitler in charge? Didn't our own beloved Prime Minister King shake Hitler's hand and endorse him for leadership? I think he did. And past that, Saddam never threatened to limit oil supplies to the United States, plus it's a hell of a lot easier to guard a few pipelines than it is to protect civilians while training an army. Plus they have all the oil they want in the tarsands and in Atlantic Canada. Not enough to run their nation forever, but enough to keep supply steady and prices reasonable. Russia only has 3% of the world's supply, but it alone took on OPEC because it has the ability to outproduce them at any given point. The middle eastern nations are just as dependant on a steady flow of oil as the States, and since there was no threat to their supply, the war in Iraq really would make no sense if it were just about oil. The only idiot I've heard make that statement outloud is michael moore, and I really hope you didn't take him seriously. I hope that doesn't sound like I'm calling you an idiot, just that I can't in good conscience say his name without describing him as a buffoon. It's like bloody mary, only I really believe a lot more in the possiblity of him making another movie...
And let's not forget their offer to allow Saddam to simply leave the country and give up his rule. He really could have, and he almost did until France said it would veto war. France and Russia used their vetos. France and Russia who were in on the food for oil deal with Iraq...hmmm...Maybe the US isn't the only nation which uses oil...
Ultimately though it doesn't matter. Leaving Iraq will help nobody at all...except islamofascists.

   

And getting into Iraq helped who, exactly?



---
"When we are in the middle of the paradigm, it is hard to imagine any other paradigm" (Adam Smith).

   

Hey, as long as we're talking about who thought hitler was a righteous dude. Look it grandaddy prescott Bush. <a href="http://www.cmaq.net/fr/node.php?id=14241">http://www.cmaq.net/fr/node.php?id=14241</a><br />
Talk about yer connected families. Sure beats a handshake.<br />
And what is this weeks reason for being in Iraq.

   

1  2  3  4  Next