"I want to get out, help me find the way..." Dziek

Written By: siljan
Date: 2007-11-17 12:42:06
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In the video, Dziekanski seemed relieved to see the police arrive, now we know why. The more I think about it and review what happened, the less I think the charges against the RCMP officers should be manslaughter, what happened looks more like second degree murder. What they did immediately after killing Dziekanski (absolutely nothing at all to try and revive him) is inexcusable and shows a total disregard for the human life that they took.

Thanks for this siljan, 
It has now come to the point where I fear the police. Police State Tyranny is now out in the open and you best get used to it because it ain't goping away. 
These sadistic state employees will continue to act out their fantacies as long as there is a silent public and fight for even more powers over the public. 
 
I am the same age 
<a href="http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=93d9c295-ad63-45ab-93b1-99d089ced118">http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=93d9c295-ad63-45ab-93b1-99d089ced118</a> --- "When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do." 
 
William Blake

In the "bigger" picture, this whole "Public Safety" issue is a farce and a sham. Our Minister of Long Titles and Big Salaries, Stockwell Day (aka Doris), is in charge of an empty shell of a department, lacking substance vis-à-vis it's stated mandate. The simple proof is in its total inability to cope with something unexpected and as innocuous as the Robert Dziekanski tragedy (as though our politicos - bureaucrats all - expect terrorists to somehow be "scripted"). The de facto main exercise of Homeland Security North is to get airline passengers (and by extension the general population) used to queues, lineups, waits, and (especially) searches. It is entirely problematical whether it can actually provide what it calls "public safety".

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"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change."
-Max Planck

They helped him "get out" alright...in a brand new body bag.

I think the fact that you hear one of the RCMP officers ask, "May I taser him?", (like he's asking his mother if he can please try out his new toy he's anxious to try out) (and the equavalent of "May I hurt him and cause him to suffer serious pain and injury and maybe even death for my enjoyment even though I have no idea if it's justified and have made no attempt to avoid having to do something that should only be done as a last resort", and another RCMP officer reply immediately, "Yes", before they had even turned the corner or were anywhere near this poor, literally helpless, man and before they had done any type of investigation of any kind, makes it premeditated and first degree murder in my mind,considering their positions as part of our national police force, or should I say just FORCE, defined as strength or power exerted upon an object; physical coercion; violence.

If one of us civilians were video taped saying we were going to hurt someone with a weapon, before we even approached them, and then did and they did nothing to us and we violently killed them and attempted to say it was self-defence...I am fairly confident that not only would we be charged with murder, but that it would be first degree murder.

Based on the red-headed RCMP officer walking around and picking up his baton, as the other 3 remained sitting on this poor man who is not moving any more by this time, and him hitting the man hard several more times in the back it appears...I strongly suspect that he is the one that anxiously, in anticipation, asked if he could taser him before he even approached him and determined if force of any kind was necessary, let alone lethal force. He's seriously evil and should be locked up for life.

Funny. I was lead to believe that he said he would sue. Nothing about wanting to get out. I guess in those six hours that he stayed, everyone knows what he propbably was thinking. It is amazing how much we know about the man, what he thought and what he said, now that is over for him. All of us the professionals on what should have been done. Yet when I ask what you would have done, no answer. Judge and Juries us all. No need for courts or inquiries.

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I'm inclined to agree that the unjustified attack was premeditated however it would be hard to demonstrate that they planned to specifically kill the man, although what happened during the attack including all 4 officers pouncing on top of their convulsing victim, it's very difficult to imagine how they thought that their victim would not at the very least suffer serious injury as a result if not die.

As for the baton being used to smash in the mans head, the view was blocked so I could not determine if that's what he was doing. The question is, if he was NOT smashing in the mans head, then what in the hell was he doing? One comment I read elsewhere, was that he was trying to close his retractable baton by banging it on the floor.

The murder was IMO second degree for certain.

What I find most troubling, is that so far the government has not released the names of the murderers.

I wonder, can the local Vancouver police arrest members of the RCMP? Warrants for their arrest should be issued, as would be done had anyone else done such a horrendous thing.

"and him hitting the man hard several more times in the back it appears..."

I took another look, and it seems very clear, he was NOT hitting the dead or dying man, he was instead closing his retractable baton.

It also appears (as one witness described) that they tasered Dziekanski twice almost simultaneously (but I cannot tell from the video if it was twice) and immediately after he picked up a stabler on the desk he walked over to. You cannot see him pick it up, however before walking over to the desk, he clearly has nothing in his hands, then right after he's first tasered (twice or once?), you can see him raise up is hands (in agony, not as an attack) and then you can see for a brief moment that he's holding what looks like a stapler.

So, fearing a stapler attack is probably what these guys will use as justification for tasering Dziekanski - at first anyway - the justification for hitting him what appears to be 2 more times is anyone's guess.

As for the two final hits, I just cannot fathom up any justification for it. Dziekanski seemed to have been incapacitated enough and of no harm to anyone, and the RCMP could easily have taken him down and cuffed him, yet "bang bang" he's hit two more times (at least that's what it looks like). Why?

What I would have done...well I am not a professionally trained national law enforcement officer but I'm positive I could have done a far better job than these butchers did and avoided injuring him in any way let alone taken his life brutally and needlessly.

First, I would not assume anything, such as that the need to use a taser or force is necessary, without investigating. I would then first consider that he had not caused anyone any harm in the time this situation had gone on, which tells me that it doesn't appear that this is his intention. Then I would consider that the witnesses clearly reported that he didn't speak any English, which tells me he is foreign and from another culture and goes a long way to explaining what the problem is and his distress.

Then upon learning from the witnesses he speaks no English I would immediately have an interpreter called who speaks as many languages as possible to help, over the international airport speaker system may be a good place to start and close by,as well my law enforcement resources. Flight attendants and airport staff often speak several languages and I would have tried getting someone to speak to him in French, our other official language to see if this helped or he spoke any French, since someone that spoke French should have been readily available at a Canadian international airport.

Then, concerned that the man appeared distressed and exhausted I would call for medical professionals to stand by in case he needed medical assistance.

Then I would have had one of the officers or even two stand by the man, without intimidating or distressing him further, giving him reassuring gestures, but not necessarily approaching him until I had more information, to ensure they have the situation under control but without taking any unnecessary or inappropriate action. While the others interviewed the witnesses further, who would have told them as they are reporting now, that they never felt threatened by the man and that he seems very scared, and again speaks no English.

I would have then located a passport, which would have been easy to find and calmly approached the man, not 4 officers but rather two at most to not scare him, showing him the passport so he would know what I wanted from him, and indicating as best as I could that I wanted to see his passport, since he must have had one to travel, to attempt to get further information to help with my investigation and to calmly assist the man.

There is every reason to believe that this would have prompted the man to give his passport which would have told me he was from Poland and spoke Polish and that he wasn't an experienced traveller possibly, and his name, which would have immediately told me that I need to get a Polish interpreter, so I would page one over the airport speaker as well as any other sources I could to get one there a.s.a.p.

I would then announce his name over the intercom calling for any family that may be there.

Once I had an interpreter there I would of course tell him I was there to help him and ask what was wrong so he could explain and ask him for his mother's name and contact info, which it is very likely he had, so I could contact his mother and get her there as quickly as possible. I would ask the man if he needed anything, medical assistance, a drink or food or something to comfort him, since he may not have eaten or anything because he didn't speak English and had been there so long and clearly was exhaused and very stressed.

I don't believe these actions required hindsight to take, but rather were obvious, logical, responsible steps that they should have known to take as national law enforcement officers trained well enough to carry lethal weapons.

I believe if these logical and responsible steps had been taken, which I believe would have taken very little time, there would have been no reason to use any force or to lay charges or any type of problem and they could have professionally and wonderfully brought it to a happy ending for all, or rather happy beginning and helped this man reunite with his mother and to start his new life with her in Canada, instead of brutally murdering this poor man who simply needed their help and tried to ask for it the best he could.

You would have done well. Blaming all on the RCMP is unwarrented though. Some witnesses said he was on drugs while others thought he was mad. Some said he spoke Russian. In those hours he was there, SOMEBODY should have been aware of a problem. The RCMP were not the people to have been called but they were. Why? Our system on a whole let the man down. Canadians who feel other peoples problems are not their concern, let him down. People watch other people in distress but rarely offer a hand. The same, judge those who do. This has become an anti-RCMP campaign and I wonder why? People call the RCMP because they will do nothing themselves. People will point finger, yet NOBODY offered to help this man in those hours. Nobody until he exploded and then it was to late. So people, get on your bandwagon and convict those who came to late, while you watched.

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The question still remains, WHAT did he die from? The electric shock did not stop his heart. If it had, it would have been instant. He struggled after the shock and NOBODY can say the RCMP was beating him to death. No witness lays claim to any fact that indicates the cause of death. So all those judges and jurymen posting here, give us scientific explaination to what killed Robert Dziekanski.

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You are choosing to be blind to the truth and I wonder what you would say if the RCMP treated you like this or someone your love or care about...I wonder if you would change your tune then.

Or another thing I ask you to please fairly consider...if you saw this video but it was a Canadian/English man in a Polish airport, under all the same circumstances, what would you say about it then?

Or if it was a Canadian/English man in an airport in an Arab country, what would your opinion about the police officers actions be then...and please be honest?

The man was alive and in need of help, then he was brutally unnecessarily and unjustly attacked by 4 RCMP officers, involving 4 shocks from a taser and extremely excessive physical force, and then he died as this was being done to him. The cause of death is very clear...the 4 RCMP officers killed him and the taser obviously contributed to it as well as the extremely excessive physical force and that without these seriously negligent actions he would be alive today. Any bull$#!^ excuse they try to come up with to cover for these murderers to let them off the hook will clearly be nonsense for all the world to see because they can never say that something other then their brutal assault killed him, and reality check...people keep dying from being tasered by police so to suggest they don't kill is a lie and you don't know for sure how long it would take for him to die from being tasered, whether it would be an instant or not, so be fair. Maybe the severe stress and shock of all he was put through in combination killed him but it was still the RCMP officers fault, they killed him.

Also he was NOT struggling, he was convulsing from being tasered 4 times and trying to survive their brutal attack.

The fact is if those in charge of the RCMP would do their job and have integrity and hold officers that act improperly justly accountable for their actions and weren't seriously negligent and corrupt in THEIR actions, then the public wouldn't now feel the way they do about the RCMP, as I do from my personal experience which had nothing at all to do with my violating the law in any way, but rather was about my trying to be a responsible citizen and report a serious crime.

The more we see them lie and abuse citizens and violate citizens rights and the law themselves,and get away with it, the more we've come to believe the RCMP is seriously corrupt and it's those that are supposed to be responsible for making sure that RCMP officers are acting appropriately and responsibly and are held accountable for misconduct that are seriously failing and leaving Canadians with a seriously negative opinion of the RCMP. Just look at the nonsense they've reported relating to this situation, they clearly have lied and are attempting to cover up, so they deserve the result...that Canadians not longer trust RCMP officers and those that govern them.

Consequences for misconduct, that's what the law is all about and they are supposed to know this.

I am not at all suggesting that there are no RCMP officers with integrity, as I believe their are, but there is obvious very serious and widespread corruption within the RCMP at this time, that starts at the top, that needs to be exposed and changed for the good of all Canadians and obviousy foreign citizens as well.

While I agree the airport staff also failed this man, they did not brutally attack him and kill him and for absolutely no reason. And to be fair the witnesses are not trained to know what to do or paid to assist and protect people in Canada and many were clearly concerned and informed the RCMP when they showed up to assist in the situation and you can clearly see a woman in the video trying to reach out to the man and help him before the RCMP came, who cleary was not afraid of him and who he did not harm while she was very close to him who I would like to personally thank for her efforts and for being such a kind and wonderful person. We need more people like you.

I can't imagine how she feels now after what they did to him when she was trying to help him and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police show up and brutally kill him.

i was tasered for nothing once as well, i almost died because 2 cops were suffocating me after i was helpless and not resisting. they proceeded to smash my computer and entered my room with no warrent and no criminal activities going on. I had no weapons and there was nowhere for me to go as i was cornered in a small space, there was four cops in total at the scene, one dressed like a thug. I almost fucking died that night because a couple lame RCMP cops get their jollies from doing this to people - it's a power thing, and it gets to their heads. And watch out if your native or black or young and good looking. The cops have NEVER helped me. I had a psycho cat running around my home and five cops came when i called them to get the cat, they sat there forever laughing and did shit all. I had family problems and the cops failed to help me, putting me in the position of a killer. The cops made false statements about me once and my lawyer ate them up cause my lawyer is the one who gets cops off for shooting people. BASICALLY THE COPS HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT HURT ME MY WHOLE LIFE. We must ask ourselves can we police ourselves? Because believe me the cops wont be there when you need them and theyll be there when you dont.

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Dio 
--- "When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do." 
 
William Blake