Venezuelan Government To Launch International 9/11 Investiga

Serentipity has a little more credibility than your Popular Mechanics because they actually don't deny the Laws of Physics... which obviously is not your case or that of PM.

You are the one acting like a clown.

You can also add to the challenge to give us the facts behind that all three buildings collapsed without much resistance (free fall)... how could people phone from a plane at high altitude with cell phones?... no body recalled the sonic bang of a plane flying at low altitude over the very popullated area around the Pentagon and the highway... then hit the wall without a scratch on the lawn or even touching wire spools that were on the ground, in front of that hole (the hole was a ground level)...

Tell us how the official story can explain just one of those using good sound physics and you will solve the whole story.

Too right Deacon, here we go with the Roadrunner and Cyote laws of physics again. "Dat der big plane went in dat der missile sized hole. Sure, it could happen.

Jeff is right, I'm clearly out of my element. Not sure what element I'm in, but I have this insatiable need for stories to make sense. Big plane.....small hole...Hmmmm, I get the inkling something doesn't quite fit....

You'll have to bear with me, I've just got my ACME SPOT-A-WHPOPPER Detector out of the box, and in the next scene I ponder the schematics, and scratch my head.

I remember that article, I was kind of on the fence at the time, my mind not really made up yet about 9-11 and possible scenarios.

I recall the article was horrible. First, they deliberately chose the most outlandish of the alternate theories, in other words, they chose the theories that were easy targets.

Next, the article is full of extremely bad language, that throws around terms like 'the lunatic fringe' and 'the tinfoil hat crowd' and 'conspiracy theorists', ect... the bias and slant is obvious and repugnant.

Next, nearly every theory is shot down not by hard evidence, not by proven scientific research, but by ridicule and simple counter-argument. It CAN'T be true, for I, speaker of all truth Say So.

Whenever something traumatic happens, you always have a full spectrum of theories that fan out in all directions. It demonstrates that a large amount of people are questioning the 'official' story. There are a lot of clues that contradict the official story, and there is a lot of weight to the conclusion that the US Government took full advantage of 9-11 to further their own goals, rather than what the public would want or expect, like strengthening border security and improving safety on aircraft.

There are a number of places you can choose your battle on the 9-11 front. You can focus on building 7. You can examine in detail the aircraft and the crash investigations. You can look at hi-rise construction and destruction. One area I would like to see investigated is the Nova special, 'Why the Towers Fell', put out about 6 months to a year after 9-11. It is either a pretty good description of really what happened, or it is a piece of propaganda full of nonesense science. Who paid for the doc? Who directed it? Who were the scientists in it? Can they be interviewed? Is their science supported? These are easy questions to address, but what is alarming is that if you try to do this, you do not get space in a newspaper, and you do not get air time. If you make a web page about it, the web page is called a 'nutter page', you are called a 'conspiracy theorist', ect... It is the defensive and aggressive reaction to this questioning that is perhaps the clearest indicator that democracy is a dying beast, shot full of holes, in the US today.

Let them chirp, I don't suscribe to the prompt feeding of trolls doctrine of internet ettiquette. Besides I'm out of my element, and I'm pretty sure the Afghan thread was annexed by governing powers of my element, which I am now clearly out of. I must spend my time in exile with a copy of popular mechanics and see if I can brush up on the "new" physics:)

Charlie Sheen Reinvigorates 9/11 Truth Movement Average Americans defend Charlie Sheen while establishment attack dogs whimper, falter, retract - Responses to hit pieces routinely show massive support for Sheen Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | April 1 2006 As the Charlie Sheen story ends its second week and with cookie-cutter establishment hit pieces continuing to be churned out, the attack dogs are facing an intensifying backlash from a clear majority of educated American citizens who are sick and tired of the sneering elitism of the mainstream media. The most recent high profile attack came courtesy of government apologist and former White House media relations mouthpiece Betsy Hart, whose columns are syndicated to over 350 US newspapers. After this website issued a rebuttal to her ridiculous assertion that people have serious doubts about 9/11because they "fear Islamic terrorism," a sweeping conspiracy theory that fails to address any of the evidence, <a href="http://betsyhart.net/blog/?parentid=19">her blog</a> has been inundated with responses from educated individuals politely reminding her to get her facts straight before commenting on such a broad subject. "Which is scarier? A rogue group of maniac terrorists on the other side of the globe that are willing to kill American citizens to achieve a political end or a powerful, secretive and utterly corrupt government right here at home that is willing to do the same," asked one respondent. Another addresses Hart's inability to comprehend that the government would stage events for political gain in citing the recent Bush Blair memo on Iraq that discussed painting a US spy plane in UN colors and goading Saddam to shoot it down to create a pretext for war. Continued at: <a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/010406charliesheen.htm">Charlie Sheen Reinvigorates 9/11 Truth Movement</a>

I love Chavez's courage but if the U.S. were smart they would pull out of Iraq and attack Chavez.

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THE GOOD OLD USA IS DONE. 500,000 ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, HAVE AN ILLEGAL RALLY, TO PROTEST A LAW IN A COUNTRY THAT THEY ARE NOT EVEN A CITIZEN OF. IT JUST SHOWS YO

I really think they lost the (remote) control of the plane and they had to take it down to get rid of one of the most important witnesses... the pilot that would have said he did not have control of the plane, and the people that did not see any Muslims taking over the plane... the plane had to come down.

Children! Even if you disagree, you can show some manners and do it like an adult. No insults, adress the *points* or make your own; don't attack your opponent.

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"Beer Garden'? You mean, a real garden of beer? I thought they only had those in Canada!" --Largo

Ray, either support such statements with facts, or don't make them. This is *not* a conspiracy theory site, it is a news site. As such, please back your statements up. Thank you.

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"Beer Garden'? You mean, a real garden of beer? I thought they only had those in Canada!" --Largo

It would be the U.S. way to just get Columbia to beat up on Chavez. You know, freedom fighters/death squads.

Maybe they've already got plans in the works to shut down Senor Chavez and his inquiry. 
 
The War Drums Are Getting Louder and Sounding a Clear Message 
Tell A Friend 
 
by Stephen Lendman 
 
<a href="http://www.opednews.com">http://www.opednews.com</a> 
 
The way things are today, why on earth would those in charge in Washington ever want another war or maybe two of them. Already they're embroiled in two out-of-control debacles in the Middle East and Central Asia, and the country is leaching multi-billions we don't have to pay for them. Despite this hopeless chaos, it looks almost certain we're now headed for a new one with Iran and may try to "double our displeasure" by adding still another with Venezuela to remove their twice democratically elected President Hugo Chavez. I just learned about an "Operation Bilbao" which appears to be blueprint to overthrow the Chavez government and likely includes in it targeted assassinations starting with the guy in charge. 
 
Do these neocrazies in Washington really think they can pull all this off - wars on four fronts. Don't these guys have anyone around with a sense of history? Forget about morality and such. These folks have none of that. But even kids in high school learn that Hitler was doomed when he decided to wage war on two fronts. And we all know what happened to Napoleon and a few other less notables. It's the indigestion that results from imperial overreach that historically always has had a bad ending. It's no different now than a couple of generations ago or a couple of centuries either. 
 
AGAIN, IT'S FOR THE OIL STUPID, AND THE THIRD AND FOURTH TARGETS ARE IRAN AND VENEZUELA 
 
SNIP 
 
To understand what's in the wind, all you have to do is clean out your ears, open your eyes and pay attention. The US war drums are beating a duet, and they're getting louder. Listen up, here's the message on the Venezuelan front. On March 28, the Virginia Pilot of Norfolk, VA (that's where the biggest US naval force is based and where I once lived for a year) reported that the US Navy is sending an aircraft carrier strike group composed of four ships and 60 aircraft to Caribbean and South American waters for a "major" training exercise. All four ships are capable of launching cruise missiles that might and could be armed with nuclear warheads. By my reckoning, that's a provocative and hostile act. 
 
Now combine that with the growing hostile rhetoric coming out of Washington directed at Hugo Chavez. I wrote in a previous article that Latin American expert James Petras wrote (now some months ago) that the US has a strategy to overthrow President Chavez by military force and at the same time destroy the Cuban revolution in a "two step" process - "first overthrow the Chavez government in Venezuela, cut off the energy supply and trade links (to Cuba) and then proceed toward economic strangulation and military attack." He also believed then the US would employ a "triangular strategy" to overthrow Chavez - "a military invasion from Colombia, US intervention (by air and sea attacks plus special forces to assassinate key officials) and an internal uprising by infiltrated terrorists and military traitors, supported by key media, financial and petrol elites." 
 
That's an ominous scenario to consider, but now add to it the kind of Washington rhetoric that makes it all sound possible. Here's some of the language from 2005 to the present, and it's getting meaner. Various US officials including CIA Chief Porter Goss, Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and a growing number of others have called President Chavez a "threat to democracy" and an "elected dictatorship", and they said it without even a touch of irony. They accused him of doing "away with the rule of law, (packing) the courts (and) carrying out anti-democratic activities" like a dictator. 
 
It gets worse. The just updated National Security Strategy, published so we can all read it, specifically singles out Hugo Chavez as "a demogogue awash in oil money (who is) undermining democracy and seeking to destabilize the region." The complicit US corporate media echo this venom as often as the Washington cabal asks them to. And there's lots more of it including a recent US Army report that calls Hugo Chavez "the largest threat since the Soviet Union and Communism", and Don Rumsfeld compares him to Hitler. 
 
 
<a href="http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_stephen__060331_the_war_drums_are_ge.htm">http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_stephen__060331_the_war_drums_are_ge.htm</a>

An early April Fools Day prank?
Charlie Sheen has some backers but you have to go all the way to Venusuala to find any.
Too many drugs, too litle time rehabing. A common complaint among rich celeberty children nowadays. Drugs, prostitutes, crack, fights, and booze. Teary-eyed apologees to judges and courts. Forviveness after forgiveness until the top is screwed wrong on the bottle and the ingredients have all gone off. Only the insane can truely appreciate the depth of the insanity of others. Charlie Sheen understands what others cannot imagine. That is a sign of insanity, is it not?

I really don't understand where you're coming from John. Being an ex-drug addict does not make you insane. It can give you a unique perspective on others. I knew an addict who everyone scorned. I stood by him and trusted him when he hit bottom. I helped him get his life back in order and now he's a chef at a major hotel in Banff. He's intelligent and polite, hard working and off of drugs. One thing he did develop is a respect for others and the downtrodden. I'm sure Charlie Sheen has been down a tough road. It certainly doesn't make him insane. If the truth is important to him in the way of an independant investigation there should be no problem for anyone else unless they have something to hide.

What about freedom of speech and independant thinking. People should think by themselves sometimes.

If Vive does not promote free thinking, I'm out of here.

Ciao!