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there was provocation on the part of mary, don*t provoke!

Had she used the rules she *borrowed* from wiki she place on this thread .The problem would not have arisen.


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[juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]

it is ignorance of the law when we do not know our own rights"

lex ferenda

   

get over yourself.

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Well behaved women rarely make history.

Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

   

BC Mary writes:

"Only in recent years, has the lack of a free press become so worrisome. For all these reasons, I value Vive le Canada and wish you continued (perhaps even improved) success.

You're very much needed and appreciated.

BC Mary."
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Dear BCMary. You say some wonderful things about vivelecanada.ca and you are correct in doing so. Every alternative news site and blog that works to disseminate news and ideas which the M3 (Mainstream Mind-control Media) either refuses to touch or maliciously twists into disinformation deserves our good will.

You remark that only in recent years has the corporate press become worrisome and I would have to disagree with you on that point. Maybe it is only in recent years that you have become cognizant of that fact but in truth the mainstream press has been in the hands of the Zionists since the turn of the last century and it is only due to the recent developments in cyberspace that we have come to finally see that we were duped all our lives on major political, economic, religious, philosophical and cultural issues.

This new reality is only beginning to wax in brightness and clarity as more and more individuals like yourself and others grow stronger in your realization that yes, we HAVE BEEN HAD!

I've maintained for a number of years now that the net, while it still remains free and open and anarchistic in nature, will expose the Beast and be its Achille's Heel.

It's hoped therefore (on my part) that sites like vivelecanada.ca will flourish and wax in blilliance as the coming times of greater hardship ensue. I'm confident that it will grow in proportion to the anguish and nonsense that the Zionist press pushes on readers and viewers.

Susan is to be applauded but it is the contributors, working tirelessly as well, people like Robin Mathews and others and those who labour in the field that help to make the crop grow and be bountiful.

Peace & Love,

Arthur Topham

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Arthur Topham
Pub/Ed
The Radical Press
http://www.radicalpress.com

   

"Ah so It *IS* a popularity contest"

For me, it is the truth that is popular and not the messenger; regardless of who it may be.

Sometimes it's BCM, sometimes it's Ed, sometimes it's you, sometimes it's someone who rarely says a word but makes supremely valid points when they do speak.

And sometimes it's even people I generally disagree with like Individualist.

But as for personal popularity, spare me.

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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

   

And thank YOU Dr C. I dont know how many regular editors Vive has but it apears that you are by far the most active and if not for your efforts many of the posts would not see the light of day. Thank you so much for the MANY hours that you must spend in keeping the dialogue going.
I must agree with BCM that at times the personal slights, cheap shots and other unnessary and uncalled for comments detract from the main purpose of Vive. This is, I know not new to you. In the past individuals have been given a "time out" when getting too out of hand, perhaps somefolk currently posting need a little time to think it through. I will be consdering using the "report abuse" button instead of the "this post is" next time I see an unintellagble or abusive post.

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When you are up to your ass in alligators it is difficult to remember that the initial objective was to drain the swamp

   

Well I find your sig offensive
"When you are up to your ass in alligators it is difficult to remember that the initial objective was to drain the swamp"
amnd shall report it how offended I am at the phrase *up to yor ass*
as to *unintellagble* spelled unintelligible by the by, clarification may be had by asking the poster of remarks we do not comprhend


And won*t that please the moderator?

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[juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]

it is ignorance of the law when we do not know our own rights"

lex ferenda

   

<a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20070105095410131">http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20070105095410131</a> <br />
Health care costs explained in full <br />
Authored by: DL on Monday, January 08 2007 @ 02:08 PM MST<br />
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Yeah there is a history Sgt. Can't remember who dissed who more or what. But it is interesting to note the different styles in slinging mud. No one can miss the both barrels blazing attack or overkill retaliation, but people often miss the more subtle passive agressive approach, except for the target of course. Have no wish to take sides b/w two posters I enjoy, but it's not fair to leave Dio hanging in the wind like he was in that exchange alone.<br />
And I did, even with *word* screw up on comprehend,<br />
mea culpa <br />
<p>---<br> [juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]<br />
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it is ignorance of the law when we do not know our own rights" <br />
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lex ferenda

   

<a href="http://www.constitution.org/pub/swinton_press.htm">http://www.constitution.org/pub/swinton_press.htm</a> <br />
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*The remarks were apparently made by Swinton, then the preeminent New York journalist, probably one night in 1880. Swinton was the guest of honour at a banquet given him by the leaders of his craft. Someone who knew neither the press nor Swinton offered a toast to the independent press. Swinton outraged his colleagues by replying:<br />
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There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.<br />
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There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.<br />
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The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?<br />
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We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.<br />
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(Source: Labor's Untold Story, by Richard O. Boyer and Herbert M. Morais, published by United Electrical, Radio & Machine Workers of America, NY, 1955/1979.)*<br />
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so much for integrity of the press and those who hold it out as though it were in the service of God.<br />
<p>---<br> [juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]<br />
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it is ignorance of the law when we do not know our own rights" <br />
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lex ferenda

   

Hi Mary,

Love your posts. I disagree with this one, though.

I have already crossed swords with the so called 'objective' moderators in wikki. Try getting them to define the term 'Holocaust denier' for example. Yet they permit it's use, even though the invented word is pure slander. They also allow facts to be re-written as 'theorized' or 'postulated' or 'some believe'.

No, Wikki, while being a fun and useful tool, is as opinionated as the rest of us, because it is moderated by humans, all of which have opinions.

As for the Comments section on Vive being a detractor to the stories, I also disagree. I enjoy reading the various alternative stories on there as they rarely see the light of MSM, but it is the opinions of ordinary Canadians around me here that I value most. When I am distressed by some bit of horrible news I have uncovered, it fills me with hope to contribute it here and read that I am not alone. To that I thank you all.

And lastly, I am the first to admit to often posting 'witicisms' on here. Some days you are 4 paragraphs into a diatribe when you just say 'this is never going to end if I keep going' and flip off a witty one-liner instead. other days you just want to break the tension.

Like now. I think you and the god of love and wine should get a room. Your obviously hot for each other

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“The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, the essential act of warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour”

   

Thank you sir. I love this community, and gladly accept your thanks for helping it be what it is. A few hours a day of my time, 364 a year isn't much for me to contribute, considering all the thoughful and insightful posts I read in return.

I may release and edit stories (some escape on their own), and try to keep people civil, but it is all of you who dig up all the stories on which we all comment.

There are about a half dozen editors, and 4 forumn moderators, but I only see some around occassionally. But we did have a chance to get together for coffee last August.

I'd encourage you all to save your 'points' to reward people for the good stuff, and let me take care of the bad posts. Or, feel free to express yourself by showing the poster what you think of thier comments. I'll be doing the same.

Cheers!

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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

   

For me, the greatest compliment I can pay to Vive is that they tolerate a right-of-centre individualist in their midst. When I started posting on this site, I considered it an inevitability that my posts would be suppressed or my account disabled. I had little faith in the tolerance of the Canadian left, and in particular the nationalist left, for dissenting opinions. I based this on in-person debates I've had with left-wing nationalists who I could have easily imagining constructing gulags to imprison people who disagreed with them. I freely admit my error in this.

As those who have read my posts can likely deduce, I am not a big believer in the idea of "community". My life experiences have taught me that separateness and independence in thought, lifestyle and work are sources of strength. My ideal society is one in which one is neither his brother's keeper nor his burden, and in which merit and achievement are the sole determinants of one's social and material status. This is an unrealistic ideal, but no more so than John Lennon's "brotherhood of man". Call my dream a "loose affiliation of man".

I suppose I'm a contrarian by nature. I can't imagine anything more boring than the idea of frequenting web sites or online forums in which the dominant opinions match my own. For me, the excitement is in the clash of ideas, of challenging the opinions of others and, in doing so, challenging my own as well.

To put it simply, I don't participate in online forums to connect with other people. I do so to connect with ideas. And Vive has proven a valuable tool for me to do so. Thanks to those who have fought me honourably and well.

   

Not to long ago someone posted that "we are on the same side". Not so. I for one don't jump on band wagons or join cliques. Vive Le Canada enables all of us to have a "different" point of veiw. Perhaps our view can be overwhelming and daunting because others see it as the wrong perspective. I look at it as a group of individuals that look at things differently. How many times I have commented in my own mind, wow! I never looked at it in that way. By no means would I think my veiws can or should change someone else's perspective. The ideas behind my posts are to allow the "different perspective" to be considered. Vive Le allows that, as should the Media. To many reporters in the Media attempt to jump on the band wagon, right or wrong. Many adlib to make the story better. It's the easy way out.

I also have observed that the longer the post, the more likely it will not be read in it's entirety.

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Expect little from life and get more from it.

   

My hope is that the gentleman in question completely misunderstood your request for clarification of the garbled line at the top of another comment. <<

Actualy bcmary asked me to clarify a line that I had snipped and reponded to. It wasn't untill later I realized she was refering to that particular line. I attempted to clarify the subject of my post in my misunderstanding. Once I realized the specific line being subject to her post, I gave my interpretation and as to why I responded as I did. None the less, I don't feel I should be defensive. It was a simple error that shouldn't have spearheaded. We all have lumps.

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Expect little from life and get more from it.

   

Well maybe, hopefully, this little saga between BCMary and Diogenes has come to a head. This has been going on long enough and is getting very tiresome. As I recall, it started when BCM asked innocently if we could not bother with the clever witicisms at the end of each post. At the time, she did not understand that we weren't rewriting them with each post. This request did not bother most of us and it was explained to BCM how it worked but it seems that her request was a real problem for Dio. Maybe the problem dates back further but if so, I am unaware.
Dio, you and I have had some diagreements as well as agreements but I think we both equally respect each others points of view, however, on this one my friend - and I mean this only as the advice of a 3rd party bystander - you've got to let it go.
BCM, a very valid and well written post.
I would also like to chime in on the kudos to Vive - the only web site I visit on a daily basis, (well except the weather network but hey, I'm a Canadian). ;^)

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Everybody got to deviate from the norm

   

You're quite righy! It does go back to before the signature incident.
It goes back to the last election and mary taking one of her swipes at a poster quite undeservingly.

She was snippity and I asked her who lit the string on her tampax

Mary is quick to find fault and inspite of my attempting to make amend has a grudge This partticular thread is case in point

The nobless of Vive she use as a blankey of disguise to out and out lie, (mis-quote) what I wrote is further evidence of that. I will repeat I wrote c*** I did not write c*nt
I did so deliberately as a test to see exactly how well she could or could not underststand.
Hey If Bill Clinton can argue the meaning of *is*

As I also told Mary I cut my teeth on behaviours such as hers

Let it go? I did

No more
and should you want to spend the time in going back over all those exchanges you will find I haven*t lied.

I see sneaky acts like hers, when she adopts that mode, put forth and go un-noticed or un checked far too often, small minded attacts on spelling or punctuation or the signature we are allowed to use here,become insurmountable obsticles to the petty.

I am paying attention to the responses on this matter and am of the opinion a great deal of hypocracy is at play.

mary is a game player
a good one, and a game player none the less

She is culpable. I have admitted my role. mary is over in Egypt, if ya get my drift.

It is her nature.







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[juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]

it is ignorance of the law when we do not know our own rights"

lex ferenda

   

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