War and sacrifice

Right off the bat – the only reason we are in Afghanistan is emotion and political correctness? 
 
The Taliban was harboring AQ, who were responsible for all kinds of goodies – the embassy bombings (what – almost 200 dead?), the bombing of the USS Cole (17 dead), the first attack on the WTC, etc. 
 
And of course, 9/11. 
 
Ultimately, they would not give up OBL or AQ. 
 
You “saw no reason to go there in the first place”? 
 
I disagree. 
 
The Taliban weren’t even Afghani for the most part – they were scholars from Pakistan imposing their extreme brand of radical Islam. Real medieval stuff. 
 
Here is the poll: 
 
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/998a1Afghanistan.pdf">http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/998a1Afghanistan.pdf</a>

"How about the freedom to be a Jew and not be gassed by the millions?" 
 
<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html">http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html</a> 
 
51 Documents: 
Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis 
 
by LENNI BRENNER 
 
In 1983, Croom Helm Ltd. published my 1st book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators. American writers don't expect favorable reviews from the London Times, but editorialist Edward Mortimer declared that "Brenner is able to cite numerous cases where Zionists collaborated with anti-Semitic regimes, including Hitler's." 
 
Still less could a Trotskyist dream of a review from Izvestia, the Soviet government gazette, but they hailed it. "During the world war, Brenner points out, Zionism showed its real meaning: for the sake of its ambitions, it sacrificed the blood of millions of Jews." 
 
Louis Rapoport, a failed Berkeley radical, denounced the book in the Jerusalem Post as "leftist babble." Nevertheless, he conceded, there were "very real charges that will continue to haunt" Zionism "until they are dealt with honestly." 
 
In 1987, Jim Allen, the celebrated British movie/TV writer, based Perdition, a stage play, on the book. When intense pressure on the Royal Court Theatre canceled production, we debated Sir Martin Gilbert, the Churchill family's private historian, and Stephen Roth, head of the British Zionist Federation, nationwide, prime-time on ITV. The London Review of Books said the Zionist scheme "made it one of the most famous plays of the decade." Indeed, unless the Queen was sick on the crapper, every politically or theatrically interested person in Britain watched us win, thanks to director Ken Loach's strategic instructions. 
 
Extraordinary world interest wasn't matched in America's media. Alex Cockburn championed the book in the Village Voice and in the Nation. But the Voice refused to review it. The Nation sent it out to someone, but, sorry, "he never sent in the review." 
 
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=Zionist+collaboration+with+the+Nazis&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8">http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=Zionist+collaboration+with+the+Nazis&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8</a> 
 
 
Look behind the façade 
do the research! 
 
--- Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding. 
Ezra Pound

"Did we not fight to free Europe? The Germans did not attack us, but we went. My Grand father and father went and fought for someone else’s freedom."

Since you are using this to justify the "War" in Afghanistan then by your own reasoning the Congo is in much greater need of troops. Unfortunately there is no oil or natural gas there. This is a resource war like most wars, not some altruistic freedom and democracy pipe dream that it’s being made out to be.

Mike

Ahhhhhh... another victim of mainstream media. 
If you look deep enough AQ was not involved in the first attack on the towers. Please, before goose stepping off with the brainwashed masses give this a try. Very interesting. The second film is quite good also. 
 
 
<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6517776133137328105&pl=true&auto=true">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6517776133137328105&pl=true&auto=true</a>.

The six that were convicted were just insane fundamentalist, not AQ.

Sudetenland that is. (Swaziland is a kingdom in Southern Africa.) This was before Chamberlain's infamous "peace in our time" statement.

The Canadian and BC Governemnts helped out compassionately by allowing to settle a number of refugee families in the area between Dawson Creek and the Alberta border. There was a commemorative roadside plaque about that. That was (and is?) Canadian foreign policy.

Sudetenland that is. (Swaziland is a kingdom in Southern Africa.) This was before Chamberlain's infamous "peace in our time" statement. 
I'm sorry I spelt it wrong but it was part of the Czech Republic until Hilter Annex it in 1939. I will look uo the correct spelling. It was part of Germany before WW1. 
<a href="http://www.historyguide.org/europe/lecture11.html">http://www.historyguide.org/europe/lecture11.html</a> 
Hitler used the threat of force to obtain Austria and a similar threat would give him the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia. More than three-quarters of the population of the Sudetenland were ethnic Germans. The area also contained key industries and was vital to the protection of Czechoslovakia. Without this area heavily fortified Czechoslovakia could not hope to withstand German aggression. Sudentenland Germans, encouraged by the Nazis, began to denounce the Czech government. Meanwhile, Hitler's propaganda machine accused the Czech government of hideous crimes and warned of retribution. He ordered his generals to plan an invasion of Czechoslovakia. At this point, the British Prime Minister NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN decided to intervene and Hitler agreed to a conference with him. The opinion of British statesmen was that the Sudetenland Germans were being deprived of their right to self-determination. The Sudetenland, like Austria, was not worth another war, they reasoned. Once the Germans were living under the German flag, the British argued, Hitler would be satisfied. And so the fate of Czechoslovakia was sealed in September 1938. 
--- 27 in the military, 9 tours.

Armyguy, <blockquote>[The Sudetenland] was part of Germany before WW1.</blockquote> the Sudetenland was part of Austria-Hungary (in particular, parts of the Austrian provinces of Bohemia, Moravia, and Silesia) before WWI.--- Shatter your ideals upon the rock of Truth. 
 
— The Divine Symphony, by Inayat Khan

I served in Cyprus, walked up and down that Green line. A bunch of 16 year old turks would hurl insults across at a bunch of 16 year old greeks.

Once or twice a tour, a Turkish officer would should one of his 16 year old boys in the head for falling asleep, or he'd bugger him in his OP. Lovely people, the Turks.

By staying there, all the UN accomplished was to set up a new market that the island is now dependent upon (providing services to UN soldiers, providing contracts to UN politicians and commanders). There is NO incentive for the Greeks and the Turks to EVER resolve their differences.

The whole experiment is a clear indicator of what is WRONG with the UN. No power to enforce, no motivation to motivate. Too much money for senior diplomats, not enough for anyone else to do their job.