War and sacrifice

Written By: jensonj
Date: 2006-04-01 13:18:00
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Canada's modern national identity is inextricably tied to our decades-long leadership role in peacekeeping. Lester Pearson, later a prime minister, is considered the father of modern peacekeeping, won the 1957 Nobel Peace Prize for it and was nominated to head the United Nations.

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If you all observe Cyprus was peacekeeping. But we fought there. He also forgot the Medac Pocket, the PPCLI fought a four day battle. The good thing was no Canadians died.
So as I stated, we have to fight during peacekeeping and kill people.

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27 in the military, 9 tours.

I ain't no pacifist and have no problem with killing people if and when necessary, but the question is: For what?

Enforcing the occupation of a strange country by another strange country for reasons of exploitation and profits are no reasons for me to kill anybody. But come to my house with a weapon in hand and see what you get.

If they'd come here and do it to us, it would be acceptable, as it is acceptable for them now to kill our people. Their system may be corrupt, brutal and criminal, but it is their own decision to fight to free themselves and so far, apart from a few Westernized quislings who'd be wiped out in five minutes without foreign occupation, I can't see any reasons to be there.

I think Bin Laden and his gang are purposely kept alive to act as perennial bogeymen to justify the occupation. When satellites can transfer the front pages of a newspaper on the ground, nobody can tell me they don't know where Bin Laden is hiding out.

This whole scam is designed to mislead people into supporting the colonization demands of the multinational corporate Mafia, because all wealth comes from the land and waters.

This was why Hitler attacked Poland and Russia to get more "Lebensraum", which means "room to live", in short, to exploit. The same for every empire in history, until their insatiable demands destroyed them, as they are destroying the USA now and we'd be better careful not to go down with them.

Ed Deak, Big Lake, BC.

Ed
Did we not fight to free Europe? The Germans did not attack us, but we went. My Grand father and father went and fought for someone elses freedom.
To just sit back and let people died is wrong. As I have said I am not a warmonger. I have seen what war does, seen what the Taliban has done. I know, if my family was alone And was being tortured, mistreated, or killed I would want someone to help. The Afghans are fighting also, our RCMP are training their police, maybe pull them out too? Afghaistan is a country of war, they don't no what is peace really is.
Since we have been there, food crops are being planted. We will patrol, find a opium farm, then the Afghan police and security force plow it under. The only trouble is the Taliban. They pay better, for opium.
So I guess, we as Canadians should close our borders, put on our rose coloured glasses, and view the world as peace and love.
And maybe we will never have to really face it.

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27 in the military, 9 tours.

Some thing I found:

"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
-- John Stuart Mill

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27 in the military, 9 tours.

<blockquote>Their system may be corrupt, brutal and criminal, but it is their own decision to fight to free themselves and so far, apart from a few Westernized quislings who'd be wiped out in five minutes without foreign occupation, I can't see any reasons to be there.</blockquote> According to Harper's magazine, 87% of the world's opium poppies are grown in Afghanistan. Factor that out of the equation, and watch the interest in that country die. And the only REAL way to get Afghanis to quit growing poppies?......get the west to quit injecting heroin in it's collective veins......--- RickW

Then such a man would rise up with his fellow oppressed and overthrow said threat. Thats not our job to do that for them. Seems to me that many of the people over there don't want us there. In fact, an attack over here is far more likely now than ever. It could be someone seeing a one sided war and has pity on the taliban. I wouldn't call it terrorism though. It would be war. I guess I just don't fear the way the other larger part of the multitudes do. Don't you think Afganistan has suffered enough? Leave them alone to find their own way in the world. Who's to say the government we put in would be any better? The U.S. has a poor track record for putting in governments so why would they be trusted by the common man in Afganistan. Let countries govern themselves and prevent them from attacking their nieghbours.

People and countries don't go to war against other people. It is the leaders who develop the demands for the resources of others and then hype up their own to go and kill them and get killed, so they can fill their pockets.

In Afgh, we have the Taliban leaders and the warlords on one side and the Western globalizers and their quislings on the other.

This alleged joy of the Afghan people for being "liberated" is the same propaganda the nazis used to show the gratitude of the Russian people, greeting the Germans, and their satellites, with bread and salt, the movies of the women crying in the churches at the first services in 20 years and so on and on. Then, in the night they went out and shot the invaders in the back and the women cut their cocks off with razors.

Now the same is happening in Afgh. In Russia the Germans had about 4 supply routes occupied, the rest of the country was open for whole armies to move around. The same happened to the conquests of Alexander the big, the Crusaders, the Arab and Turkish invaders in Spain and Europe, the US in Vietnam and the Soviets in Afgh. Now, it is happening again, because the leaders and the military brass are stupid, don't know history and live on hot air: If it moves you salute it, if it doesn't you paint it!

All professionals must justify their own existence and cover up their ignorance and mistakes with lies. The military of any country are the biggest liars to fool the people to support them and the troops to follow orders. I'm sure those poor fools who fly their B52 murder machines over our heads every day, do believe that they're training for and doing something noble and necessary.

I'll never forget the time when we were sitting with some friends by a millpond at Huntingdon near Cambridge, in England, made jokes and talked about how we would have killed each other a few years before and couldn't figure out for what?

All wars are started by ruling classes, all armies are run on garbage food, screaming NCOs and daily implanted lies by professional hate mongers about the necessity to go and kill others to steal their resources.

Every generation of my predecessors and family have fought in some war for over a thousand years and I hope that none ever will in the future.

If our politicians and military would be able to come clean on the issue and knew elementary military history, they would realize that the few thousand Western occupiers are like a fart floating around in a pair of pants, a total waste of resources and manpower. All they can do is hold a few cities and perhaps a strip of land where the US are planning to build their oil pipeline. The rest of the country can not and will never be occupied and "pacified".

Ed Deak, British trained "analyst" in 3 languages.

I think we went because Britain declared war on Germany. This said, we fought for very little freedom as freedom of expression has been stifled in the west for a very long time.

Technically we did help to free the French, Dutch etc...but had the British and French not been stupid enough to declare war on a more powerful Germany, countries like Holland and France would never have been occupied and needed to be liberated.

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People who openly hate America, while making money from America, burning U.S. flags, waving Mexican and Jamaican flags, while demanding the right to be American

I agree with much of what you say Ed, but I would say that in some cases there is more to war than money. People do fight against other groups of people. Hitler fought the Jews among others and lost....but yes the Nazis did line the pockets of many American corporations. So maybe a bit of both.

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People who openly hate America, while making money from America, burning U.S. flags, waving Mexican and Jamaican flags, while demanding the right to be American

Once again collective amnesia seems to strike....

"It is the leaders who develop the demands for the resources of others and then hype up their own to go and kill them and get killed, so they can fill their pockets."

Oh, and of course...."All wars are started by ruling classes"

Ok, let's all try to remember one minor detail in the equation, shall we....

September 11, 2001

Al Qaeda, supported and sheltered by the Taliban in Afghanistan, hijacked a number of planes and flew them into the World Trade Centre in New York City, and the Pentagon in Washington killing almost 3,000 people. (And yes, I see all of you over there convinced that it was all a conspiracy by freemasons who control the world with their secret handshakes and think-tanks.)

Now, the crack-pot conspiracies aside, The events that are presently occuring in Afghanistan began, and perpetuate, as a RESULT of the Al Qaeda attack on September 11, 2001. That attack resulted in the invasion of Afghanistan, and the overthrow of the Taliban government. Just to clarify, Al Qaeda started the war.

One would hardly classify Al Qaeda as a "ruling class".

What history are you reading? Hitler planed to invade all of Europe. Maybe go back to school. Remember he invaded Poland, Austria, and Swaziland ( Part of the Czech republic) first.

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27 in the military, 9 tours.

“Seems to me that many of the people over there don't want us there”

The stats don’t support this claim. There certainly are some who do not want us there, but the overwhelming majority of Afghanis do. Until they have some semblance of security, a police force, an army, the overwhelming majority both need and want us there for now.

“Don't you think [sic] Afganistan has suffered enough? Leave them alone to find their own way in the world. Who's to say the government we put in would be any better?”

I sure do! However leaving them “alone to find their own way in the world” is what allowed for the Taliban to prop up when the Russians pulled out of the country –Pakistanis, know as the Taliban, came in and took over. As far as “Who's to say the government we put in would be any better” – they say as much. The polls back my claim.

“The U.S. has a poor track record for putting in governments so why would they be trusted by the common man in [sic] afganistan.”

Because there are 30 countries involved in the NATO led mission. It should be a global matter – this is no longer simply about the US.

“Let countries govern themselves and prevent them from attacking their nieghbours”

I’m not sure what this means. Let governments stop themselves from attacking other countries? Is that what this means?

Are you seroius?

How about the freedom to be a Jew and not be gassed by the millions?

"had the British and French not been stupid enough to declare war on a more powerful Germany, countries like Holland and France would never have been occupied and needed to be liberated"

Oh. My. God.

I've read lots of stuff I strongly disagree with here, but this is just mind-numbing!

I wish you'd pasted more of the article.

Especially this line:

"It's hard to reconcile that tradition with Canada's current -- and valid -- role in Afghanistan."

Valid indeed, and reconcile we must.