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DrCaleb @ Tue May 07, 2019 5:34 am

I wonder how they are going to get the Unsullied out of there unscathed, or if they knew all along it was a one way trip.

And, just a little armchair tactical strategy - yea, sure they lost a dragon because they weren't expecting any opposition to dragons. But that fleet had two major flaws; they were in a bay with cover on both sides, and their weapons (while formidable) didn't turn around. A rear or downward attack by a dragon would have been super effective. :(

   



llama66 @ Tue May 07, 2019 6:26 am

Dany, take note:

"If they are angry, disturb them" (Chapter One)
"If the general cannot control his temper and sends troops to swarm the walls, one third of them will be killed, and the city will still not be taken. This is the kind of calamity when laying siege to a walled city." (Chapter Three)
"He who is quick tempered can be insulted." (Chapter Eight)
"If he gives out punishments frequently, he is dire straits. If he is brutal at first, and then fears the masses, he is the extreme of ineptitude." (Chapter Nine)
"If the officers are angry and insubordinate, doing battle with the enemy under anger and insubordination, and the general does not know their abilities, this is called collapse." (Chapter Ten)
"​The ruler may not move his army out of anger; the general may not do battle out of wrath." Sun Tzu (Chapter Twelve)
"Those angry will be happy again, and those wrathful will be cheerful again, but a destroyed nation cannot exist again, the dead cannot be brought back to life." (Chapter Twelve)

   



Tricks @ Tue May 07, 2019 6:38 am

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
I wonder how they are going to get the Unsullied out of there unscathed, or if they knew all along it was a one way trip.

And, just a little armchair tactical strategy - yea, sure they lost a dragon because they weren't expecting any opposition to dragons. But that fleet had two major flaws; they were in a bay with cover on both sides, and their weapons (while formidable) didn't turn around. A rear or downward attack by a dragon would have been super effective. :(

Did you see the battle of winterfell? They aren't exactly tactical geniuses.

   



BRAH @ Tue May 07, 2019 6:46 am


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DrCaleb @ Tue May 07, 2019 6:48 am

Tricks Tricks:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
I wonder how they are going to get the Unsullied out of there unscathed, or if they knew all along it was a one way trip.

And, just a little armchair tactical strategy - yea, sure they lost a dragon because they weren't expecting any opposition to dragons. But that fleet had two major flaws; they were in a bay with cover on both sides, and their weapons (while formidable) didn't turn around. A rear or downward attack by a dragon would have been super effective. :(

Did you see the battle of winterfell? They aren't exactly tactical geniuses.


Yes, we had a bit of a discussion on it earlier in the thread.

Just had to get my 2 centavos in. ;)

   



N_Fiddledog @ Tue May 07, 2019 9:13 am

I also considered the obvious aerial attack from the rear but then I wondered; are those ship-scorpions on a swivel.

I imagine you could still try it if you could maneuver your dragon into a quick swoop to the rear and a serpentine attack route before the Scorpions had a chance to re-target. But you'd be vulnerable when you stopped to "Dracarys" the first ship.

Here's something though. If the Scorpions make an unfettered dragon attack impossible now what does Varys have to bitch about?

   



N_Fiddledog @ Tue May 07, 2019 9:20 am

But yeah, those Game of Thrones ground attacks are head-scratchers. It's like Westeros field commanders haven't heard of the flank.

   



herbie @ Tue May 07, 2019 11:34 am

Hmm, you've got a master assassin who can change faces and while celebrating how she saved humankind, let her wander away unnoticed and not even think of using her skills.

   



DrCaleb @ Tue May 07, 2019 11:37 am

I also notice you ordered the gates remain open.

What could possibly go wrong?

   



peck420 @ Tue May 07, 2019 11:55 am

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
I also considered the obvious aerial attack from the rear but then I wondered; are those ship-scorpions on a swivel.

The video, Brah posted, shows it swivel.
$1:
I imagine you could still try it if you could maneuver your dragon into a quick swoop to the rear and a serpentine attack route before the Scorpions had a chance to re-target. But you'd be vulnerable when you stopped to "Dracarys" the first ship.

Death from above. Funny fact about gravity fed ballistics. Can't elevate too far before the round falls out of firing position. Whether it is a bolt, a boulder, or a shaped munition. Once it "unseats", you could fire it....but, really, 50/50 on whether you or your target is getting it, lol.
$1:
Here's something though. If the Scorpions make an unfettered dragon attack impossible now what does Varys have to bitch about?

Something to make viewers tune in?

   



Thanos @ Tue May 07, 2019 1:01 pm

If it weren't for the Dragon Queen everybody would already be dead. #LeaveDanyAlone :evil:

   



llama66 @ Tue May 07, 2019 1:03 pm

$1:
If it weren't for the Dragon Queen everybody would already be dead.

Because of the dragon queen everybody will soon be dead.

   



Robair @ Tue May 07, 2019 1:05 pm

Thanos Thanos:
If it weren't for the Dragon Queen everybody would already be dead. #LeaveDanyAlone :evil:

:lol:

She is going a little Brittney Spears with all her power / fame...

   



Thanos @ Tue May 07, 2019 1:29 pm

Skylar White from Breaking Bad/Lori Grimes from Walking Dead syndrome now in effect among the armchair general fans - even though the other characters, especially the male ones, are considerably more awful/stupid than the female ones the female lead will be held to such an impossible double standard that she somehow ends up as a villain. Hey, the feminists were correct all along about this kind of thing. :|

It's odd in a way now, that Dany's first pure-Targaryen instincts to burn the Red Keep, immediately after she arrived on Dragonstone, to ashes would have been the correct thing to do. Just melt it into an unrecognizable mass of stone just like Aegon The Conqueror did to Harrenhal three hundred years previously. Cersei would be dead, Ser Gregor would be dead, Qyburn would be dead. The Lannister army would have either surrendered or been exterminated. The entire South and the Ironborn would have had no choice but to submit or perish. And, when presented with the threat of the dead by the Northerners, she could have taken a much larger army to Winterfell to battle them. So by doing the "right" thing in sparing a shithole like King's Landing from a good scorching, Dany's actually done the wrong thing and has an enemy that can beat her deeply entrenched (and now with superior weaponry that's effectively negated her previous overwhelming strength) in an advantageous position.

   



DrCaleb @ Wed May 08, 2019 5:25 am

Thanos Thanos:
So by doing the "right" thing in sparing a shithole like King's Landing from a good scorching, Dany's actually done the wrong thing and has an enemy that can beat her deeply entrenched (and now with superior weaponry that's effectively negated her previous overwhelming strength) in an advantageous position.


But Tywen is right, she can't 'save' the people by killing them. Cersi is the enemy. The people already hate Cersi, but aren't Dany's enemy. They just don't hate Cersi enough to do anything about it.

Cersi might have won the first skirmish, but there are more to come. And the people now know that Cersi finds them expendable. Perhaps that will raise enough eyebrows to make a difference to her safety.

   



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