2019 Canadian Federal Election
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DrCaleb @ Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:32 am
Closest I could come to a riding map of 2019
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DrCaleb @ Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:34 am
peck420 peck420:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Why does the US have the worlds largest economy, and the worlds largest debt? 
For reasons that Canada can not replicate.
But, why bother letting that get in the way of anything.
Demonstrates my point though. Sovereign debt is not the same as personal debt.
peck420 @ Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:09 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Demonstrates my point though. Sovereign debt is not the same as personal debt.
Not really.
For a middling power like Canada, national debt acts internally in pretty much the same way as personal debt.
It is only internationally that it acts any differently.
If our leadership was smart, the only concern for Canada would always be the debt servicing costs, not debt to GDP ratios, and how they compare to other nations.
BeaverFever @ Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:36 am
llama66 llama66:
$1:
Hope the conservative liars enjoy being ruled by BOTH the liberals AND the NDP.
Hope you enjoy freezing in the dark. All this has done is pour kerosene on the WEXIT pyre; unlike the Quebecois used separation to get free shit, Alberta wants the fuck out of this loveless marriage.
Yeah....Good luck with that...
Public_Domain @ Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:36 am
BeaverFever @ Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:39 am
llama66 llama66:
Proportional Representation must be considered or this country will die. It's too big geographically for FPTP
All that will ensure is that every government is a minority government which is a gong show
DrCaleb @ Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:44 am
peck420 peck420:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Demonstrates my point though. Sovereign debt is not the same as personal debt.
Not really.
For a middling power like Canada, national debt acts internally in pretty much the same way as personal debt.
It is only internationally that it acts any differently.
But even in a tiny economy like Canada, debt can be used to create jobs and increase the tax base, which brings in more tax. Personal debt used as a way to borrow income from the future only works if future income increases. That works for sovereign debt, but that is also the reason Canadians are in such high income to debt trouble. People borrowed heavily in the 00's , but incomes haven't increased to cover the costs.
peck420 peck420:
If our leadership was smart,
Well, there's your problem . . .
llama66 @ Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:46 am
No, it will allow Canadian's from all parts of the country to have a voice. Which is necessary in a representative democracy such as ours.
It would also mean this pandering agenda wouldn't get fucking rammed down our throats as much.
Less power in a single party's hands is a good thing.
BeaverFever @ Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:52 am
peck420 peck420:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Demonstrates my point though. Sovereign debt is not the same as personal debt.
Not really.
For a middling power like Canada, national debt acts internally in pretty much the same way as personal debt.
It is only internationally that it acts any differently.
If our leadership was smart, the only concern for Canada would always be the debt servicing costs, not debt to GDP ratios, and how they compare to other nations.
As I’ve posted time and again on here that is false. A nation with Sovereign currency can never run out of its own money. FULL STOP.
A Nation with sovereign debt can refinance its debt indefinitely as unlike personal debt it doesn’t have to be paid off before a retirement date or death date and governments can raise income whenever they want and never have to worry about unemployment. Governments can monetize an almost infinite supply of assets (selling government owned land, property, property rights etc).
Most or all of the major western economies have been carrying debt for 50 or even 100 years, the UK debt even goes back over 300 years
PluggyRug @ Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:54 am
Most minority governments don't last long. Just wait till all the bickering starts.
PR will give us a monkeykangorillapig "government" all noisy jumping around and no real action.
DrCaleb @ Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:54 am
llama66 llama66:
No, it will allow Canadian's from all parts of the country to have a voice. Which is necessary in a representative democracy such as ours.
It would also mean this pandering agenda wouldn't get fucking rammed down our throats as much.
Less power in a single party's hands is a good thing.
It would also mean this pandering agenda wouldn't get fucking rammed down our throats as much.
Less power in a single party's hands is a good thing.
I like Minority governments as well.
In this one, the Liberals will need All of the Block, and a few NDP or Green; or all of the NDP greens and Independents, to win the house in votes. That means they have to co-operate with everyone but the CPC to pass legislation, and the CPC has to team up with all of the other parties to defeat the Liberals.
There is an uneasy balance of power, which means everyone gets what they want, or nobody does. The way it should be.
bootlegga @ Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:55 am
JaredMilne JaredMilne:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
JQR and Jane Philpott both look set to lose their seats to Liberals.
On the Right, Conservative Lisa Raitt looks like she’s about to lose her seat to Liberal and former olympian Adam Van Koeverden
Maxime Bernier loses his seat and PPC gets only 1.6% of the vote nationwide. God riddance to that pile of garbage!
On the Right, Conservative Lisa Raitt looks like she’s about to lose her seat to Liberal and former olympian Adam Van Koeverden
Maxime Bernier loses his seat and PPC gets only 1.6% of the vote nationwide. God riddance to that pile of garbage!
I have to say the election results so far have surprised me a little.
I expected Trudeau to lose more seats than he has, particularly with all the baggage he's accumulated.
Yep, he did better than I expected too.
JaredMilne JaredMilne:
Jagmeet Singh made an admirable comeback, but so far he's only won about half the seats Mulcair did in 2015. A lot of that can be attributed to his open, classy persona...but like I said several months ago, it's not enough to make up for the time he wasted between becoming leader and getting into Parliament.
Without Singh, the NDP would have been all but wiped out. If he was a Liberal or even a Conservative, I would have voted for him, but there is too much NDP policy I disagree with to ever vote NDP.
JaredMilne JaredMilne:
Scheer made a big improvement I wouldn't have expected, a roughly 20-seat gain.
Still not enough!
JaredMilne JaredMilne:
The Bloc's resurgence also shows how Yves-Francois Blanchet is the real deal. Even the Greens have picked up a few seats.
Fuck those guys.
JaredMilne JaredMilne:
It's too bad about Jody Wilson-Raybould. She deserved better, though.
Agreed - although I think she won.
JaredMilne JaredMilne:
On the other hand, Maxime Bernier's political career has come to a humiliating end. Good riddance to bad rubbish! 
I think Canadians actually owe something to Bernier.
He forced Scheer to move to the right and expose himself as the wolf in sheep's clothing that he really is. Without Bernier, more Canadians might have been tricked into his recycled Harperist trash.
peck420 @ Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:58 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
But even in a tiny economy like Canada, debt can be used to create jobs and increase the tax base, which brings in more tax.
This is a result of providing needed capital. How the capital is obtained is separate from what the capital is used for. Just like personal debt, far too much of our national debt was used poorly.
$1:
Personal debt used as a way to borrow income from the future only works if future income increases.
Nyet. Both public and private debt are issued based on your income now, and the assumption that you can maintain that income for the duration of the debt. None are issued predicated on increased incomes later. That is only a talking point due to the over and inaccurate use of debt/GDP ratios.
$1:
That works for sovereign debt, but that is also the reason Canadians are in such high income to debt trouble. People borrowed heavily in the 00's , but incomes haven't increased to cover the costs.
Because one will impart a complete effect within minutes of over use, and one takes decades, does not change the outcome, just the time frame.
$1:
Well, there's your problem . . .
Yup...always which is the least worst, never which is actually best.
bootlegga @ Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:01 am
Martin15 Martin15:
'Classless' Justin Trudeau comes under fire for 'lacking humility' as he uses his election victory speech to cut short the concession address of his rival after winning second term as PM
Mr Trudeau's Liberals are on course to win 157 seats, ahead of the Conservatives on 121 but short of a majority
The PM will have to lead a minority government with the help of smaller parties after losing nearly 30 seats
He started his victory speech while his rival Andrew Scheer was conceding this morning, prompting criticism
Three blackface and brownface photos of Mr Trudeau emerged during the campaign and damaged the PM
Donald Trump congratulated Mr Trudeau - who was endorsed by Barack Obama - on a 'hard fought victory'
Well, that didn't take long.
Mr Trudeau's Liberals are on course to win 157 seats, ahead of the Conservatives on 121 but short of a majority
The PM will have to lead a minority government with the help of smaller parties after losing nearly 30 seats
He started his victory speech while his rival Andrew Scheer was conceding this morning, prompting criticism
Three blackface and brownface photos of Mr Trudeau emerged during the campaign and damaged the PM
Donald Trump congratulated Mr Trudeau - who was endorsed by Barack Obama - on a 'hard fought victory'
Well, that didn't take long.
That was pretty classless, just like Scheer cutting off Singh's concession speech (who kept going on and on and on) - seems like all three need some lessons in etiquette.
DrCaleb @ Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:05 am
bootlegga bootlegga:
I think Canadians actually owe something to Bernier.
He forced Scheer to move to the right and expose himself as the wolf in sheep's clothing that he really is. Without Bernier, more Canadians might have been tricked into his recycled Harperist trash.
He forced Scheer to move to the right and expose himself as the wolf in sheep's clothing that he really is. Without Bernier, more Canadians might have been tricked into his recycled Harperist trash.
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