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Vote for those who will do the least damage to you and yours, because none of them are out to do you any good.

   

Everyone getting worked up over polls. Over the five years there polls have, for some reason, been shown a number of times to be way wrong for politics, even when multiple polls agreed with each other. Just look at the last Federal Election. Which (how many) pollsters saw the NDP wave in Quebec? Now we'll use their same reputations to believe the NDP will form government.

Lots of time left in the election thanks to Harper but as it stands now I call NDP not only don't form government but actually lose seats in Quebec.

Harper wins a minority, which is all he deserves. Who will be in second place? Not sure about that yet.

   

I've never been more painfully aware as I've become over the last year at how much the rest of Canada genuinely doesn't give a fuck what happens in the West, or at how many Eastern Canadians are willing to hurt the West as much as they can because they simply just don't like us and because they think that because we don't have the same sized population we're therefore forever subservient to them. It's been a real eye-opener and I don't think my patriotism is as strong as it was before all this happened.

   

I grew up in the east but lived almost my entire adult years in the west. What you said is 100% accurate.

   

The NDP will not shut the oil sands down, that's bloody ridiculous.
They're the one party that could clean it up just enough to make it marketable to the USA and they sure as hell aren't going to impose new costs when the market's down like it is now.
And they sure as hell won't lend money to open car plants in Mexico while ignoring scalebacks here in Canada either.
WTF are you stuck in some 1970s rendition of them or something? You can't do that even if you want to in a global economy. Do you think they're idiots?
No idiots let 4 year olds drown because they might be terrorists, talk like they have a big stick while they send the last 6 planes to drop bombs on someone's heads. Idiots snoop on citizen's private communications and are convinced they have to, stay the course economically when it isn't working. Idiots insist on drug policies that no one supports and pipelines no one likes and they're too chicken of having to fall on their swords even if they believe it's for the good of their country.
Worst of all idiots don't understand or actually oppose a CHarter of Rights and whine like stuck pigs when they consistently lose...
FFS you're in Alberta and your homeboy is doing SFA. A vote for Green is as good as a spoiled ballot.

   

There is still lots of time for the parties to fling bs around and for more dirty little secrets to be revealed about this candidate and that one. I'm already tired of the race itself and just want it to be over and done with.

I predict when it actually counts we'll see a Conservative minority government with the NDP coming in 2nd.

So, in answer to the original question of this thread... No, perhaps not quite yet but it will be interesting to see how divided the country might look as to where the seats go.

   

See Linda McQuaig and the other NDP members from the cult of Suzuki as a counterpoint to that claim.



I don't disagree with this partially because Harper really dropped the ball by being so stubborn and not having a national climate change policy in place. If there was one then Obama wouldn't have been able to object so strenuously to passing the Keystone pipeline. Huge blunder by Harper on this one.



Don't know too much about that. Thanks to a couple of decades of free trade and the effects of the McGuinty/Wynne regime I didn't think that there were all that many auto jobs left in Ontario to send to Mexico.



Let me know when the Dippers drop the cheap baby boomer theatrics of the 1970's that colour all their policies. From boosting unionization in dying industries to their usual hyper-outraged political correctness on too many issues to count, it's the Canadian left that can't break away from the glory of the 1970's. The rest of us moved on a long time ago from an era that more than deserves to be used only as a lesson for what not to do, not as something to be repeated.



A wildly silly list of accusations that don't make sense. Making the PM or any other government minister personally responsible for a child's death on the other side of the planet, when all the evidence is that his own father's recklessness killed his own family, is disgusting. I won't address the rest of your list if you took those points from the same filthy place that you dredged up the death of that boy.



I don't disagree. Tilting at the Supreme Court windmill knowing that they're going to lose is a ridiculous bit of old Reform Party populism that deserved to die out a long time ago.



Which is something I've been pissed off at for the last year. Nonetheless, Harper doing nothing is still preferable to someone like Mulcair coming along and stabbing the industry right through the heart to match the way the Saudis stabbed us in the back. I have no reason to stop believing that the NDP would do all they could to damage and hurt Alberta as much as they could if they took over the government. It's been in their blood for decades and it would be a terrible assumption to make that they no longer believed it. McQuaig all but confirmed it anyway. She's a kook but she still not even the worst of the kooks in that party.

They're my province's enemy and always will be. Sorry if you just can't see it from my POV.

   

I read somewhere that Eastern Canada is like that because the empire loyalists that got chased out of the US after the American Revolution were a perpetually bitter and angry lot, and the bitterness infected all the generations of Ontarians that came afterwards. They just weren't able to understand or accept that other parts of the country might want to do things in a non-traditional & non-Ontario manner. It wasn't Alberta's new wealth from oil that pissed them off, it was that the wealth allowed Alberta to do things our own way instead of following a blueprint where the central provinces dictated all the rules.

The Canadian national psyche is fascinating. We're no different than any other country in that our negative characteristics loom as large as the positive ones do. I'd say that a sullen resentment and peevishness are as much of a collective Canadian personality trait as are love of country and generosity.

   

I don;t claim Harper is responsible for that kid's death, that's a pretty simplistic conclusion to say anyone is. The kid's merely a symbol for this govt's inept policies there. We promised long ago to take refugees but here's the convenient excuse again that some may be terrorists. Like we aren't capable of fishing them out, so we haven't even started trying to. Now the target's a piddly 13,000 by 2018.
And fuck yeah, they'll support unionization. I live on a pension after 15 years at a union job, my 30 year old daughter's got 8 years in management at her job and makes almost as much as I did when she was born.
Is that what you want to offer your kids? Tough luck we've been through that, deal wiyh it and move on? Enjoy a shittier life, kid?

   

The cold chill that will fall on the investors that create jobs if the NDP win will cause more damage to the upcoming generation than anything seen before in Canada. I have no love at all for the bankers and other financial sector jerks but I still recognize that we need them for job creation. Putting more taxes on them and strangling them in regulatory red tape from multiple levels of government is going to scare them off badly, and that's a terrible thing to do to a country that's in the early stages of what can still turn out to be a terrible recession. This should be obvious from seeing what's happened to Ontario under McGuinty/Wynne over the last decade or more. Imposing what's failed in Ontario onto the entire country is insane. Is that what the NDP's aiming for? Some kind of bizarre commitment to equality by making economic conditions so horrible everywhere that all Canadians are equally miserable about their present and future?

After seeing what effect Islam is having on Canada, from the discovery of terrorist cells to lone-wolf attacks like the Parliament Hill shoot up, I'm probably not the only Canadian who would be much happier if the number of Muslim refugees and immigrants entering this country would be ZERO by 2018.

   

Ummmm, yes, that's the plan.


Seen enough evidence of that all over Eastern Europe.

   

Odd that so many of them still skew their favouritism towards the most failed and miserable economic and social system the human race ever created.

   

Well, it's not that bad compared to India or Africa.

But it's obvious the system was geared towards the lowest common denominator in every
aspect of society.

The bare minimum was fine, whether it was construction of housing, consumer goods, medicine, even arts and culture was heavily stifled.

True, the bosses made only 3 times as much as the workers, which all dippers embrace.
But without any incentive for creativity, drive and ambition,
everything wound up being 2nd or 3rd class at best.


This is what the dippers want, because they play to the same lowest denominator,
without regards to the future.

   

you can't have infinite growth on a fixed resource based planet. So yeah, their is a good chance your kids life will be shittier....get used to it.

   

It would be for the worse IMHO.

We don't need an extreme left or right party, but someone in the centre.

Unfortunately, we're probably going to wind up with one extreme or the other.

   

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