Harper's tactics mislead voters.
Reverend Blair @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:51 pm
Do you have any proof of that, AR?
DerbyX @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:53 pm
Apollo Apollo:
$1:
Actually I posted about this during the last election. If you look at total votes via left and right then its pretty much stagnant.
The Cons are benefitting from vote splitting just as the Libs did when there were multiple right wing parties.
Ex-Liberals go NDP or even green.
You were never a Liberal.
The Cons are benefitting from vote splitting just as the Libs did when there were multiple right wing parties.
Ex-Liberals go NDP or even green.
You were never a Liberal.
Then where did the Conservatives get their additional 12% of votes from?
Great math Derby. 2 elections ago the Conservatives had 25% of the votes and now because of "vote splitting" they have 37%??
Math eh sunshine? The Alliance got 25.5%. The conservatives collectively got 38% hence vote splitting benefitted the Liberals.
2 elections ago was the 2000 election where Chretien won his 3rd majority.
In actuality the parties got:
Liberal: 5252031 or 40.85% of the popular vote
Alliance: 3276929 or 25.49%
Bloc: 1377727 or 10.72%
NDP: 1093868 or 8.51%
PC: 1566998 or 12.19%
Left: 6345899 or 49.36%
Right: 4843927 or 37.68%
(bloc not included)
Geee, around 38%? Thats what the cons are polling at eh?
Perhaps you meant the 1997 election?
Liberal: 4994277 or 38.46% of the popular vote
Reform: 2513080 or 19.35%
Bloc: 1385821 or 10.67%
NDP: 1434509 or 11.05%
PC: 2446705 or 18.84%
Left: 6428786 or 49.51%
Right: 4959785 or 38.19%
(bloc not included)
OMG, what are the cons polling at this election?
Lets check 93 just to be safe, a time when the voters rebelled and destroyed the PC party and the Libs ran away with victory.
Liberal: 5647952 or 41.24% of the popular vote
Reform: 2559245 or 18.69%
Bloc: 1846024 or 13.52%
NDP: 939575 or 6.08%
PC: 2186422 or 16.04%
Left: 6587527 or 47.32%
Right: 4745667 or 34.73%
(bloc not included)
Looks to me like the "right" and "left" lost the same 2% points to the bloc temporaryily.
Get the picture? The CPC is currently polling between 36% and 39% as the only right party left. The bloc about 9 or 10% same as the greens. The Libs lost alot of ground but they lost it to the NDP and greens.
The left votes left and the right votes right and although Quebec and the bloc skews things a bit.
Disgruntled Liberals go NDP. Period.
You claim to have voted Chretien twice but you also claim to have voted Liberal in 06 only out of fear of a Con majority. The people who voted Liberal out of fear of a CPC majority are the people now throwing their support behind Layton and the NDP or they shifted support to the greens.
Consider yourself schooled!
Apollo @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:14 pm
I'm talking about 2004.
12.4% Bloc
29.6% CPC
4.3% Green
36.7% Liberals
15.7% NDP
The CPC has gained almost 10%. Where did that come from?
Get back to school Derby.
No surprise that you would only include the data that supports your position and conveniently leave out the data that proves you wrong.
DerbyX @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:33 pm
Take a look at the popular vote then sunshine.
Look at the loss of the Bloc to the CPC and My addressing the fact that Quebec skews the numbers.
Quebec voter factor in seperatism and nationalism in addition to left vs right which alters the data.
Thats why Harper is campaigning so hard in QC to pick up votes.
You don't address the very consistent left vs right pattern well established proving my point do you? Its even quite evident when the numbers are magically down for both sides coincedentily the same amount the bloc went up.
Got an answer when Harpers CPC is polling at the same "right" % as the previous elections?
Got an answer why suddenly his chances for a majority went down the tubes following a resurgence of the Bloc?
If anything the last election just saw a bunch of pissed off PC and Reform supporters making protest votes or simply not voting because they were not happy with some particular aspect of the merger into the CPC.
The fact that the bloc gained about 3% and the right lost about 3% shouldn't bother you none eh?
OH, BTW, you claimed the "conservatives" had 25% of the vote. Now you post they actually had almost 30%.
Sorry but my data is pretty solid showing that support based on left/right affiliation has been fairly constant of the last decade and a half.