Liberals increase Lead in Ontario, Conservatives lose
Ruserious @ Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:02 pm
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Liberals up in Ontario, down in Quebec: poll
CTV.ca News Staff
While there is little movement at the national level, a new poll finds some significant regional movement in voter intention.
The poll was conducted between Wednesday and Saturday nights, by The Strategic Counsel for CTV and The Globe and Mail.
"We don't view this as a monster poll, but there are some interesting things happening," Tim Woolstencroft, managing partner of the polling firm, told CTV.ca on Sunday.
At the national level, things are pretty much the same as before the election call (change from pre-election number in brackets):
Liberals - 34 (-1)
Conservatives - 30 (unchanged)
NDP - 16 (-1)
Bloc - 14 (unchanged)
Green Party - 6 (+1)
If one takes Quebec out of the equation, the Conservatives and Liberals are tied at 37 in the rest of Canada, the same as just before the election.
Here are Quebec's numbers (margin of error is plus or minus 4.9 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Bloc Quebecois - 56 (+2)
Liberals - 26 (-4)
Conservatives - 8 (unchanged)
NDP - 6 (-1)
Greens - 4 (+2)
Woolstencroft said based on those numbers, Prime Minister Paul Martin might want to reconsider his strategy of painting this election as a referendum on Quebec sovereignty.
Now, look at Ontario (margin of error is plus or minus 4.1 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Liberals - 42 (+2)
Conservatives - 30 (-5)
NDP - 19 (-1)
Greens - 9 (+4)
With a 12-point lead over the Conservatives compared to a five-point lead before the election call on Nov. 29, this showed the Liberals picking up strength in their heartland, Woolstencroft said.
On the Prairies (margin of error is plus or minus 6.3 per cent: change from pre-election number in brackets):
Conservatives - 58 (+8
Liberals - 25 (-2)
NDP - 14 (-4)
Greens - 3 (-6)
And finally, British Columbia (margin of error is plus or minus 6.8 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Conservatives - 34 (+4)
Liberals - 31 (-4)
NDP - 25 (-4)
Greens - 10 (+4)
"The Conservatives are strengthening in their heartland," Woolstencroft said, especially if you look at the Prairies and B.C. numbers together.
However, earlier polling also suggests that Conservative announcements on issues like cutting the GST or fighting crime are mainly appealing to their base, he said.
The Conservatives must find ways to reach those other than their traditional supporters, he said.
CTV.ca News Staff
While there is little movement at the national level, a new poll finds some significant regional movement in voter intention.
The poll was conducted between Wednesday and Saturday nights, by The Strategic Counsel for CTV and The Globe and Mail.
"We don't view this as a monster poll, but there are some interesting things happening," Tim Woolstencroft, managing partner of the polling firm, told CTV.ca on Sunday.
At the national level, things are pretty much the same as before the election call (change from pre-election number in brackets):
Liberals - 34 (-1)
Conservatives - 30 (unchanged)
NDP - 16 (-1)
Bloc - 14 (unchanged)
Green Party - 6 (+1)
If one takes Quebec out of the equation, the Conservatives and Liberals are tied at 37 in the rest of Canada, the same as just before the election.
Here are Quebec's numbers (margin of error is plus or minus 4.9 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Bloc Quebecois - 56 (+2)
Liberals - 26 (-4)
Conservatives - 8 (unchanged)
NDP - 6 (-1)
Greens - 4 (+2)
Woolstencroft said based on those numbers, Prime Minister Paul Martin might want to reconsider his strategy of painting this election as a referendum on Quebec sovereignty.
Now, look at Ontario (margin of error is plus or minus 4.1 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Liberals - 42 (+2)
Conservatives - 30 (-5)
NDP - 19 (-1)
Greens - 9 (+4)
With a 12-point lead over the Conservatives compared to a five-point lead before the election call on Nov. 29, this showed the Liberals picking up strength in their heartland, Woolstencroft said.
On the Prairies (margin of error is plus or minus 6.3 per cent: change from pre-election number in brackets):
Conservatives - 58 (+8
Liberals - 25 (-2)
NDP - 14 (-4)
Greens - 3 (-6)
And finally, British Columbia (margin of error is plus or minus 6.8 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Conservatives - 34 (+4)
Liberals - 31 (-4)
NDP - 25 (-4)
Greens - 10 (+4)
"The Conservatives are strengthening in their heartland," Woolstencroft said, especially if you look at the Prairies and B.C. numbers together.
However, earlier polling also suggests that Conservative announcements on issues like cutting the GST or fighting crime are mainly appealing to their base, he said.
The Conservatives must find ways to reach those other than their traditional supporters, he said.
Looks as though the early polls show yet another Torie loss.
I guess that proposed GST cut just doesn't buy as much support as Harper thought it would.
hwacker @ Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:09 pm
Ruserious Ruserious:
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Liberals up in Ontario, down in Quebec: poll
CTV.ca News Staff
While there is little movement at the national level, a new poll finds some significant regional movement in voter intention.
The poll was conducted between Wednesday and Saturday nights, by The Strategic Counsel for CTV and The Globe and Mail.
"We don't view this as a monster poll, but there are some interesting things happening," Tim Woolstencroft, managing partner of the polling firm, told CTV.ca on Sunday.
At the national level, things are pretty much the same as before the election call (change from pre-election number in brackets):
Liberals - 34 (-1)
Conservatives - 30 (unchanged)
NDP - 16 (-1)
Bloc - 14 (unchanged)
Green Party - 6 (+1)
If one takes Quebec out of the equation, the Conservatives and Liberals are tied at 37 in the rest of Canada, the same as just before the election.
Here are Quebec's numbers (margin of error is plus or minus 4.9 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Bloc Quebecois - 56 (+2)
Liberals - 26 (-4)
Conservatives - 8 (unchanged)
NDP - 6 (-1)
Greens - 4 (+2)
Woolstencroft said based on those numbers, Prime Minister Paul Martin might want to reconsider his strategy of painting this election as a referendum on Quebec sovereignty.
Now, look at Ontario (margin of error is plus or minus 4.1 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Liberals - 42 (+2)
Conservatives - 30 (-5)
NDP - 19 (-1)
Greens - 9 (+4)
With a 12-point lead over the Conservatives compared to a five-point lead before the election call on Nov. 29, this showed the Liberals picking up strength in their heartland, Woolstencroft said.
On the Prairies (margin of error is plus or minus 6.3 per cent: change from pre-election number in brackets):
Conservatives - 58 (+8
Liberals - 25 (-2)
NDP - 14 (-4)
Greens - 3 (-6)
And finally, British Columbia (margin of error is plus or minus 6.8 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Conservatives - 34 (+4)
Liberals - 31 (-4)
NDP - 25 (-4)
Greens - 10 (+4)
"The Conservatives are strengthening in their heartland," Woolstencroft said, especially if you look at the Prairies and B.C. numbers together.
However, earlier polling also suggests that Conservative announcements on issues like cutting the GST or fighting crime are mainly appealing to their base, he said.
The Conservatives must find ways to reach those other than their traditional supporters, he said.
CTV.ca News Staff
While there is little movement at the national level, a new poll finds some significant regional movement in voter intention.
The poll was conducted between Wednesday and Saturday nights, by The Strategic Counsel for CTV and The Globe and Mail.
"We don't view this as a monster poll, but there are some interesting things happening," Tim Woolstencroft, managing partner of the polling firm, told CTV.ca on Sunday.
At the national level, things are pretty much the same as before the election call (change from pre-election number in brackets):
Liberals - 34 (-1)
Conservatives - 30 (unchanged)
NDP - 16 (-1)
Bloc - 14 (unchanged)
Green Party - 6 (+1)
If one takes Quebec out of the equation, the Conservatives and Liberals are tied at 37 in the rest of Canada, the same as just before the election.
Here are Quebec's numbers (margin of error is plus or minus 4.9 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Bloc Quebecois - 56 (+2)
Liberals - 26 (-4)
Conservatives - 8 (unchanged)
NDP - 6 (-1)
Greens - 4 (+2)
Woolstencroft said based on those numbers, Prime Minister Paul Martin might want to reconsider his strategy of painting this election as a referendum on Quebec sovereignty.
Now, look at Ontario (margin of error is plus or minus 4.1 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Liberals - 42 (+2)
Conservatives - 30 (-5)
NDP - 19 (-1)
Greens - 9 (+4)
With a 12-point lead over the Conservatives compared to a five-point lead before the election call on Nov. 29, this showed the Liberals picking up strength in their heartland, Woolstencroft said.
On the Prairies (margin of error is plus or minus 6.3 per cent: change from pre-election number in brackets):
Conservatives - 58 (+8
Liberals - 25 (-2)
NDP - 14 (-4)
Greens - 3 (-6)
And finally, British Columbia (margin of error is plus or minus 6.8 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Conservatives - 34 (+4)
Liberals - 31 (-4)
NDP - 25 (-4)
Greens - 10 (+4)
"The Conservatives are strengthening in their heartland," Woolstencroft said, especially if you look at the Prairies and B.C. numbers together.
However, earlier polling also suggests that Conservative announcements on issues like cutting the GST or fighting crime are mainly appealing to their base, he said.
The Conservatives must find ways to reach those other than their traditional supporters, he said.
Looks as though the early polls show yet another Torie loss.
I guess that proposed GST cut just doesn't buy as much support as Harper thought it would.
You'll be crying in your soup in a week or two. The Liberals are done
OnTheIce @ Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:20 pm
Ruserious Ruserious:
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Liberals up in Ontario, down in Quebec: poll
CTV.ca News Staff
While there is little movement at the national level, a new poll finds some significant regional movement in voter intention.
The poll was conducted between Wednesday and Saturday nights, by The Strategic Counsel for CTV and The Globe and Mail.
"We don't view this as a monster poll, but there are some interesting things happening," Tim Woolstencroft, managing partner of the polling firm, told CTV.ca on Sunday.
At the national level, things are pretty much the same as before the election call (change from pre-election number in brackets):
Liberals - 34 (-1)
Conservatives - 30 (unchanged)
NDP - 16 (-1)
Bloc - 14 (unchanged)
Green Party - 6 (+1)
If one takes Quebec out of the equation, the Conservatives and Liberals are tied at 37 in the rest of Canada, the same as just before the election.
Here are Quebec's numbers (margin of error is plus or minus 4.9 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Bloc Quebecois - 56 (+2)
Liberals - 26 (-4)
Conservatives - 8 (unchanged)
NDP - 6 (-1)
Greens - 4 (+2)
Woolstencroft said based on those numbers, Prime Minister Paul Martin might want to reconsider his strategy of painting this election as a referendum on Quebec sovereignty.
Now, look at Ontario (margin of error is plus or minus 4.1 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Liberals - 42 (+2)
Conservatives - 30 (-5)
NDP - 19 (-1)
Greens - 9 (+4)
With a 12-point lead over the Conservatives compared to a five-point lead before the election call on Nov. 29, this showed the Liberals picking up strength in their heartland, Woolstencroft said.
On the Prairies (margin of error is plus or minus 6.3 per cent: change from pre-election number in brackets):
Conservatives - 58 (+8
Liberals - 25 (-2)
NDP - 14 (-4)
Greens - 3 (-6)
And finally, British Columbia (margin of error is plus or minus 6.8 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Conservatives - 34 (+4)
Liberals - 31 (-4)
NDP - 25 (-4)
Greens - 10 (+4)
"The Conservatives are strengthening in their heartland," Woolstencroft said, especially if you look at the Prairies and B.C. numbers together.
However, earlier polling also suggests that Conservative announcements on issues like cutting the GST or fighting crime are mainly appealing to their base, he said.
The Conservatives must find ways to reach those other than their traditional supporters, he said.
CTV.ca News Staff
While there is little movement at the national level, a new poll finds some significant regional movement in voter intention.
The poll was conducted between Wednesday and Saturday nights, by The Strategic Counsel for CTV and The Globe and Mail.
"We don't view this as a monster poll, but there are some interesting things happening," Tim Woolstencroft, managing partner of the polling firm, told CTV.ca on Sunday.
At the national level, things are pretty much the same as before the election call (change from pre-election number in brackets):
Liberals - 34 (-1)
Conservatives - 30 (unchanged)
NDP - 16 (-1)
Bloc - 14 (unchanged)
Green Party - 6 (+1)
If one takes Quebec out of the equation, the Conservatives and Liberals are tied at 37 in the rest of Canada, the same as just before the election.
Here are Quebec's numbers (margin of error is plus or minus 4.9 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Bloc Quebecois - 56 (+2)
Liberals - 26 (-4)
Conservatives - 8 (unchanged)
NDP - 6 (-1)
Greens - 4 (+2)
Woolstencroft said based on those numbers, Prime Minister Paul Martin might want to reconsider his strategy of painting this election as a referendum on Quebec sovereignty.
Now, look at Ontario (margin of error is plus or minus 4.1 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Liberals - 42 (+2)
Conservatives - 30 (-5)
NDP - 19 (-1)
Greens - 9 (+4)
With a 12-point lead over the Conservatives compared to a five-point lead before the election call on Nov. 29, this showed the Liberals picking up strength in their heartland, Woolstencroft said.
On the Prairies (margin of error is plus or minus 6.3 per cent: change from pre-election number in brackets):
Conservatives - 58 (+8
Liberals - 25 (-2)
NDP - 14 (-4)
Greens - 3 (-6)
And finally, British Columbia (margin of error is plus or minus 6.8 per cent; change from pre-election number in brackets):
Conservatives - 34 (+4)
Liberals - 31 (-4)
NDP - 25 (-4)
Greens - 10 (+4)
"The Conservatives are strengthening in their heartland," Woolstencroft said, especially if you look at the Prairies and B.C. numbers together.
However, earlier polling also suggests that Conservative announcements on issues like cutting the GST or fighting crime are mainly appealing to their base, he said.
The Conservatives must find ways to reach those other than their traditional supporters, he said.
Looks as though the early polls show yet another Torie loss.
I guess that proposed GST cut just doesn't buy as much support as Harper thought it would.
Ontario voters never let facts get in the way of making a decision.
The ethnic vote is certainly going to help the Liberals in Ontario.
Ruserious @ Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:45 pm
hwacker hwacker:
You'll be crying in your soup in a week or two. The Liberals are done
hwacker @ Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:53 pm
Ruserious Ruserious:
hwacker hwacker:
You'll be crying in your soup in a week or two. The Liberals are done
bye bye, 2 points and falling fast.
DerbyX @ Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:31 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Ontario voters never let facts get in the way of making a decision.
The ethnic vote is certainly going to help the Liberals in Ontario.
Really? At my workplace there is about 65-75% "immigrants" and only 1/2 are voting Liberal. Even the "moderate muslim" is voting conservative. Their reason's? Taxes. They like the idea of harpers "promised" tax cuts. The facts are that many Liberals who might vote CPC in lieu of recent scandals won't do so because of the CPC attack on social freedoms. We know the issues but apparently you cons just don't see the facts in front of you. Harper's already lost and doesn't know it yet.
OnTheIce @ Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:36 am
DerbyX DerbyX:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Ontario voters never let facts get in the way of making a decision.
The ethnic vote is certainly going to help the Liberals in Ontario.
Really? At my workplace there is about 65-75% "immigrants" and only 1/2 are voting Liberal. Even the "moderate muslim" is voting conservative. Their reason's? Taxes. They like the idea of harpers "promised" tax cuts. The facts are that many Liberals who might vote CPC in lieu of recent scandals won't do so because of the CPC attack on social freedoms. We know the issues but apparently you cons just don't see the facts in front of you. Harper's already lost and doesn't know it yet.
I see, so you polled the imigrants in your office or is that just a guess?
Please do explains Harpers "attack" on social freedoms.
hwacker @ Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:10 am
Dx can't cause Harpers not, Dx will go on about the scary hidden agenda, we all know (NOW) who had that, Don't we DX?
IcedCap @ Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:48 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
The ethnic vote is certainly going to help the Liberals in Ontario.
Yeah paki, nigger and chink Liberal votes should only count as a quarter of pure white Conservative ones eh
DerbyX @ Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:08 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
DerbyX DerbyX:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Ontario voters never let facts get in the way of making a decision.
The ethnic vote is certainly going to help the Liberals in Ontario.
Really? At my workplace there is about 65-75% "immigrants" and only 1/2 are voting Liberal. Even the "moderate muslim" is voting conservative. Their reason's? Taxes. They like the idea of harpers "promised" tax cuts. The facts are that many Liberals who might vote CPC in lieu of recent scandals won't do so because of the CPC attack on social freedoms. We know the issues but apparently you cons just don't see the facts in front of you. Harper's already lost and doesn't know it yet.
I see, so you polled the imigrants in your office or is that just a guess?
Please do explains Harpers "attack" on social freedoms.
Actually yes. Since we all know each other because we work side by side 8 hours a day we often discuss thimgs like this. It isn't a guess but a direct reflection.
AS for harpers attack on social freedoms that is exactly what his stance on SSM is. He has already said he will put SSM up to a vote (I don't consider it a votable issue anymore then allowing women to vote/drive) and he would abolish gay unions all togeather if he can garner enough support. That is an attack on social freedoms.
Elvis @ Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:15 am
This debate about the ethnic vote make me think of Parizeau remark in 1995.
Look guy's the Liberal strategy is clear It's called fear mongering. In Quebec they Say the Bloc are a bunch of racist, xenophobe, Nazi. in the ROC they say that the CPC are a bunch of sexist, racist, religious, pro American, pro life .... nuts.
When all you have left to make your case is fear mongering. That just prove that you don't have any argument left.
hwacker @ Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:17 am
Elvis Elvis:
This debate about the ethnic vote make me think of Parizeau remark in 1995.
Look guy's the Liberal strategy is clear It's called fear mongering. In Quebec they Say the Bloc are a bunch of racist, xenophobe, Nazi. in the ROC they say that the CPC are a bunch of sexist, racist, religious, pro American, pro life .... nuts.
When all you have left to make your case is fear mongering. That just prove that you don't have any argument left.
Look guy's the Liberal strategy is clear It's called fear mongering. In Quebec they Say the Bloc are a bunch of racist, xenophobe, Nazi. in the ROC they say that the CPC are a bunch of sexist, racist, religious, pro American, pro life .... nuts.
When all you have left to make your case is fear mongering. That just prove that you don't have any argument left.
At least the people of Quebec are seeing this too.
Elvis @ Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:49 am
I can wait to see a minotity CPC government prop up by the Bloc
Guy's like DerbyX will freak out And the ROC will have to realise that we are not the monster that the liberal have said that we are for so long.
DerbyX @ Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:56 am
Elvis Elvis:
I can wait to see a minotity CPC government prop up by the Bloc
Guy's like DerbyX will freak out And the ROC will have to realise that we are not the monster that the liberal have said that we are for so long.
Guy's like DerbyX will freak out
And the ROC will have to realise that we are not the monster that the liberal have said that we are for so long.I can't wait till we shatter your seperate pipe dream and the Libs win yet again. Your party is a monster doing whatver it can to destroy Canada. Guys like you are going to be crying when they find out that the stance "we can partition Canada" but "Quebec can never be divided" is full of shite.
hwacker @ Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:56 am
Freak out, they just might leave Canada all together.