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Stephen Harper & party: My views and opinions - merged

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Lemmy @ Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:25 pm

CountLothian CountLothian:
No economy is better if these two classes are worse off 11 years later.

1. You haven't proven that. You've stated it.
2. You haven't proved that, even if your assertion is true, the government caused it. Maybe the government's efforts lessened the effect. Maybe, had we had a different government the numbers would be worse. You're not proving a position because you're not connecting cause and effect. I'm not telling you you're wrong. I'm telling you you're not convincing me that you know what you're talking about.

CountLothian CountLothian:
Something he could never back up and was only done to appeal to Ukrainians. Besides giving them a reason to love Harper what good does it do to rattle Putin . What bridges do we burn that are good for Canadian's future ?

You don't figure we share a commonality with Ukraine, vis a vis having Russia as a neighbour, eh?

   



Winnipegger @ Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:37 pm

But, but, but... Trudeau is taking a completely different direction that I have been talking about. I pushed my agenda since December 2005 (election campaign for 2006). Many Liberals tell me they believe in reducing the debt and reducing taxes, and are offended when people call Liberals "tax and spend". However, the left-wing faction of the party wants to tax-and-spend. Ever since Paul Martin left, the party has gone farther and farther in the wrong direction. Justin Trudeau has tried to play both sides, to appease both fiscally responsible Liberals like me, and left-wing Liberals. He accepted Eve Adams into the party, to increase the size of caucus but also appease fiscally responsible voters. But his "Tax Fairness" plan would cut personal income tax by 1.5% for low and middle income earners, and pay for that with a new tax bracket for those who earn more than $200,000/year. Creating a new bracket does not get us closer to abolishing personal income tax. My plan would cut personal income tax by 5% points in every income bracket, paid for by increasing GST to 7% and corporate income tax to 19%. It was 21% on Election Day 2006, Liberals had passed a law to abolish corporate capital tax but it hadn't kicked-in yet, and there was still corporate surtax. So increasing to 19% means total corporate tax would still be substantially lower than Election Day 2006. I picked 19% because Paul Martin supporters told me that's where Mr. Martin wanted to set it. Justin criticized the NDP for wanting to increase corporate income tax, but ironically, Thomas Mulcair said he wants to set it to 19%. And I want to replace UUCB with the Liberal childcare plan from the fiscal update of November 2005, trotted out for elections 2006, 2008 & 2011. The reason is the expanded UUCB costs $18.0 billion/year, while the Liberal plan costs $0.5 billion the first year, rising each year until it's $1 billion the fourth year, then capped at $1 billion/year thereafter. But Trudeau announced he would keep UUCB, just restrict it so high income earners don't qualify. And Harper announced a cut to Small Business Tax; that's actually corporate income tax for corporations with taxable income below half a million per year. It's currently 11%, Harper announced he would reduce it a further 2%, down to 9%. But the lowest income bracket for personal income tax is 15%. So corporations with a 6-figure income will pay 9% while individuals living below the poverty line pay 15%. And Trudeau said he wouldn't cancel that. Say what!?!

I was the Liberal candidate for my riding going into the 2008 election, but my nomination was disallowed. I was replaced a week and a half into the writ period. I was president of the riding association, and was a member of the executive of the provincial association for Manitoba. This spring I was re-elected as vice president for the riding association. I had thought Justin would support fiscally responsible Liberals like me. But the specific issues I just listed make we wonder. Now what?

   



martin14 @ Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:46 pm

Winnipegger Winnipegger:
. And Harper announced a cut to Small Business Tax; that's actually corporate income tax for corporations with taxable income below half a million per year. It's currently 11%, Harper announced he would reduce it a further 2%, down to 9%. But the lowest income bracket for personal income tax is 15%. So corporations with a 6-figure income will pay 9% while individuals living below the poverty line pay 15%. And Trudeau said he wouldn't cancel that. Say what!?!

I was the Liberal candidate for my riding going into the 2008 election, but my nomination was disallowed. I was replaced a week and a half into the writ period. I was president of the riding association, and was a member of the executive of the provincial association for Manitoba. This spring I was re-elected as vice president for the riding association. I had thought Justin would support fiscally responsible Liberals like me. But the specific issues I just listed make we wonder. Now what?



If you don't understand the difference between a Small Business and a Corporation,

it's a good thing you were disallowed as the Liberal candidate.


But I'm sure that decision was made in conjunction with something else. ;)

p.s. Justine won't change C-51 either; go figure, huh. :lol:

   



herbie @ Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:57 pm

Lemmy Lemmy:
Unsound Unsound:
herbie herbie:
It's actually pointless for any of us to even mention Harper & the CPC on CKA now the writ's been dropped. There's no 'undecided' here to sway...


I beg to differ...

Ditto. I like that Harper's keeping the hard-right Reform elements of his party under wraps (especially impressive since he's one of them himself). I like his record on the economy, in general. I LOVE that he told Putin to lick ass. On the other hand, I'm pissed about C-51, the census and the war on science, the Conservatives' insistence that "tough on crime" works and the general level of secrecy and goonery surrounding the PMO. Plus if I see one more Economic Action Plan sign on the side of a road or "Just not ready" commercial I think I might firebomb Tony Clement. :twisted:

If there were no undecided, we'd get the same government every time. Sure, the idealogues in both the right and left gutters are decided, but the sane folks in the middle have a pile of issues to consider right now. I know I'm solidly undecided at this point.


Keeping the hard-right Reform elements of his party under wraps is one of the things I do count in his favour. And having learned from Mulroney there was no 'belt tightening' bullshit that made things worse during recession.
But living in lumbertown BC, the CPC immediately sold us out and we've never recovered he gets no points on the economy.
Unlike Mulroney he isn't picking an honourable fight with South African aparthied, he's yapping like a Pekinese at the Big Dogs and making fools of himself and all Canada.
He's had a decade and the best he did was just okay. Time for a diaper change.

   



CountLothian @ Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:01 pm

When propaganda us digested to the point when Truth is ignored and just dismissed by the masses, it becomes the same as cult tactics to keep the horde /

I speak the truth it hurts so much nothing but LYNCH MOB mentality takes over.

unbelievable.

   



CountLothian @ Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:08 pm

Lemmy Lemmy:
CountLothian CountLothian:
No economy is better if these two classes are worse off 11 years later.

1. You haven't proven that. You've stated it.
2. You haven't proved that, even if your assertion is true, the government caused it. Maybe the government's efforts lessened the effect. Maybe, had we had a different government the numbers would be worse. You're not proving a position because you're not connecting cause and effect. I'm not telling you you're wrong. I'm telling you you're not convincing me that you know what you're talking about.

CountLothian CountLothian:
Something he could never back up and was only done to appeal to Ukrainians. Besides giving them a reason to love Harper what good does it do to rattle Putin . What bridges do we burn that are good for Canadian's future ?


You don't figure we share a commonality with Ukraine, vis a vis having Russia as a neighbour, eh?



How do you want me to prove it.
I see you have no idea what it means if the vast population is staring at groceries and clothing for kids as luxury items.
Using credit cards to live on.

No one is taking on or butting into this Russian mess except Harper. You think it's due to Harper being some altruistic crusader .

   



Lemmy @ Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:10 pm

:roll: Can't say I didn't try.

   



CountLothian @ Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:16 pm

to the person who asked me to prove my last post and deleted it.....



Prove what? That every Vet has asked for resignations of every Minister in charge of Veteran affairs.

All military equipment is lacking.

He has zero plan against terror .

There is no plan just propaganda and a bill 51 that is condemned by the UN..

You eat propaganda and can't argue with facts or back yourself up so like some kid in the schoolyard you say prove it.

It's not there , whats to prove.

like his economics, there are none.
Nothing zelch...

   



Winnipegger @ Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:17 pm

martin14 martin14:
If you don't understand the difference between a Small Business and a Corporation,
it's a good thing you were disallowed as the Liberal candidate.

There is no such thing as "Small Business Tax". Corporate income tax has something called "Small Business Deduction". There is also the "General Tax Reduction", and corporations can only claim one. In Canada, federal corporate income tax starts at 38%. Then there is the "Federal Tax Abatement", which reduces it by 10% points, down to 28%. Then the "General Tax Reduction" reduces it down to 15%. For corporations that qualify for the "Small Business Deduction" instead, it's currently reduced down to 11%. According to CRA website...
Corporation tax rates
Small business deduction
$1:
Corporations that were Canadian-controlled private corporations (CCPCs) throughout the tax year may be able to claim the small business deduction (SBD). The SBD reduces Part I tax that the corporation would otherwise have to pay.

The SBD is 17% of whichever of the following amounts is less:
  • the income from active business carried on in Canada (line 400);
  • the taxable income (line 405);
  • the business limit (line 410); or
  • the reduced business limit (line 425).

  • martin14 martin14:
    But I'm sure that decision was made in conjunction with something else. ;)

    As I've said before, someone at the CRA garnisheed my salary, despite the fact they had already provided a formal written assessment confirming how much of a refund they owe me. Took years to get that resolved. Turned out they counted all my income from the previous year twice, claiming I earned twice what I really earned. I could give more details, but that wasn't an honest mistake. Someone was malicious.
    martin14 martin14:
    p.s. Justine won't change C-51 either; go figure, huh. :lol:

    Um, yea. Add that to the list. He actually said he would amend the bill, but I feel it should be repealed. I strongly disagree with the Conservative bill to permit holding someone without a warrant just because they "will" commit an offence. Bill C-51 is worse: it allows holding someone under the accusation he/she "might" commit an offence. When the RCMP arrested two in Halifax last February, they were charged with conspiracy to commit murder. None of the terror laws were necessary. And arresting someone for "conspiracy" requires a warrant signed by a judge. So there already is judicial oversight. Bill C-51 is completely unnecessary.

       



    Freakinoldguy @ Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:27 pm

    CountLothian CountLothian:
    When propaganda us digested to the point when Truth is ignored and just dismissed by the masses, it becomes the same as cult tactics to keep the horde /

    I speak the truth it hurts so much nothing but LYNCH MOB mentality takes over.

    unbelievable.


    Think about it. If your inane, annoying, mostly inaccurate, embarrassing and blatantly partisan posts can incite a lynch mob of people who are diametrically opposed politically you're doing something wrong which, probably makes you one of the worst political shills on this or any forum.

    So, are you just another annoying political troll or, given your propensity for turning people off to your cause, Justin Trudeau's current campaign manager?

       



    Freakinoldguy @ Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:33 pm

    CountLothian CountLothian:
    to the person who asked me to prove my last post and deleted it.....



    Prove what? That every Vet has asked for resignations of every Minister in charge of Veteran affairs.

    All military equipment is lacking.

    He has zero plan against terror .

    There is no plan just propaganda and a bill 51 that is condemned by the UN..

    You eat propaganda and can't argue with facts or back yourself up so like some kid in the schoolyard you say prove it.

    It's not there , whats to prove.

    like his economics, there are none.
    Nothing zelch...



    Facts, lies and blatant inaccuracies?

    I'm a Veteran and I don't remember asking for the resignation of every Minister in charge of Veterans Affairs so, who the fuck are you to speak for me or even insinuate that I think or thought that way?

       



    PublicAnimalNo9 @ Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:18 pm

    I think his cheese has completely slipped off his cracker.

       



    PublicAnimalNo9 @ Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:38 pm

    CountLothian CountLothian:
    When propaganda us digested to the point when Truth is ignored and just dismissed by the masses, it becomes the same as cult tactics to keep the horde /

    I speak the truth it hurts so much nothing but LYNCH MOB mentality takes over.

    unbelievable.
    No, what's unbelievable is how delusional you are. It's not just conservatives on here ragging on your stupidity. It's also liberals, dippers, a communist and at least one "national socialist".

    Yer just a one-trick pony who's fooled himself into thinking you've wowed us with your alleged keen political insight.

       



    Vamp018 @ Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:42 pm

    If I was Canadian, I guess I'd go for the lesser of the two devils. PM Harper would get vote, however more PC MP's need to be more Vets and give old Harper a swift kick and punch re guarding the Military.

       



    Lemmy @ Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:45 pm

    I you were Canadian you'd still be an illiterate moron.

       



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