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So humour me. Show the data that backs your contention that Mulroney's Conservatives screwed-up the country with their fiscal mismanagement. Don't bother looking at StatsCan or anywhere else that collects such data without bias. The numbers there show that Mulroney inherited a helluva screwed-up mess from P.E. Trudeau. And it also shows that bit-by-bit those Conservatives and their "mismanaging" turned all the negative economic indicators around. It also shows that all the positive growth continued upwards at the same rate or better from 1987 - 95, and that most growth plateaued and then began to fall in 1996 - 97. Chretien inherited low single-digit inflation, single-digit interest rates, low unemployment (relative to 1984), decreased government spending and increasing GDP. All thanks to Conservative "mismanagement". All Chretien had to do was call the plays from the Conservative playbook (which he did for the first two years of his first term) and he would've looked like a champ. But like a true Liberal, he couldn't help messing with something that worked, and fucking-it-up in the process.

You may have been around in the '80's, hell you may even have been conscious. Who am I to say? But from your accusations, it sure don't seem like you were paying attention.

So we find ourselves in the same boat as we were in 1980. One province is prosperous and keeping the good ship Canada afloat, and the Liberals are trying to figure-out how to pull the plug. We might be lucky this time and get a Conservative government before the Liberals find the plug, but if not we'll have to hope the Conservatives, who get elected after the Liberals pull the plug, have enough time to fix the leak, bail us out and right the course.

Hey kids,... remember in 1989 when Mr. Chretien pointed at Mr. Mulroney and said "This is the man who has given Canadians an 80 cent dollar"? Funny, how the dollar was at 85 cents when he said it, not at 80 cents, like when Mr. Mulroney took over from Mr. Trudeau. Funny, how quiet Mr. Chretien was when the dollar sank to 67 cents in 1997. Strange, how Canadian productivity fell behind our American competitors in 1997, and never caught-up,... even when a booming Alberta economy brought our dollar back up to 84 cents. Guess you'd need a Liberal to explain how they've saved our economy from Conservative mismanagement.

   

Gunplummer,

We have been down this road before. I repeat.

Sure the PC gov't inherited a debt & deficit from the previous gov't but they made the situation far worse and passed on far worse to the Libs. The Libs changed that. If the situation were reversed you would be screaming long & loud about how the Libs bankrupted Canada and the Cons saved us.

   

Yes, I remember that "discussion" (in which you posted the same list). I remember that it had been a fairly civil debate, until you decided to turn it into an insult-fest. At that time, I decided you weren't interested in reasonable debate, much less a reply that contradicted your impassioned argument. Since then, I've learnt to give as good as I get when rhetoric turns to flames. Judging by the tone of your post above, I'm inclined to believe you might be willing to discuss this in a more reasonable manner.

If you want my civil reply, which will debunk the majority of your list with hard facts and data, you'll have to wait a few days. I do most of my posting at work these days, as my off-hours leave little time for much besides commuting, a quick shower and a few hours sleep. Unfortunately, all the good info is stored on my home server and I'll present it here in a coherent fashion when I have the free time (say Wednesday or Thursday next week [keeping my fingers crossed I won't be working on my days off,... again])

Hope you won't find my reply too limited, as most of it will rely on data gleaned from StatsCan, Elections Canada and similar sources. These are the most comprehensive and objective data sources which are easily accessed. And of course, I'll provide links to all references, so any doubters can verify the accuracy of the information as I present it.

   

Hardly. You were as much an instigator as anything. Time and time again the cons on this forum want no part of an honest debate just a place to scream insults at the Liberals although there have been a few instances.




Since my info came from statscan & Macleans you will have little success "debunking" hard data. You may interpret it differently. Few cons give credit where credit is due and just want to avoid giving credit to the Libs at the same time as absolving the cons of any and all blame. Dishonest in the least. The fact is that under the Mulroney Canada was nearly declared bankrupt and not all of it can be attributed to the recession. The PC's made an (understandable) attempt to combat rising unemployment but did so with "busy" work type jobs such as cutting grass, raking leaves, etc. That was money that should have been spent (if at all) in infrastructure repair, military equipment upgrades, purchasing hospital equipment, or other things that had lasting value beyond giving someone a job. We could not afford it at the time. That was a mistake on their part. That was fiscal mismangement.



Fine.

   

He's his own worse enemy when it comes to the East. 4 Atlantic Provinces, 4 PC governments, I'll go a step further with this...NF has a Con gov. for the past 2 yrs...NS and NB has Con gov for 6 yrs....PEI has Con gov for 9 yrs.......Now if any of these men were at the helm of the good ship CPC,(Bernard Lord would be a good choice from what(little) I read of him) then Atlantic Canada would be Blue across the board. Instead we get to hear some guy from Alberta come down East(but only when there is an election comming up) and try and win our vote by insulting us.....Now I will never claim that I'm the smartest guy in the world(although I might if I thought it would help ease the parting of a pretty girls legs ) but this does't seem like a good way of winning votes to me. But hey, what do I know...I'm just a dumbass lazy Eastener waiting for my next welfare cheque from the Gov.....It's not like I'd be willing to pack up my shit, move 3000+ miles away from the place I love just to find a bit of decent employment or anything....



I'd move back tomorrow if I had a decent job that paid 1/2 of what I get here and had no worries of being laid-off.

   

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