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Strength and greed. There you have it, North American history in a nutshell.

   

[QUOTE BY= Rural]<br /> Why must the natives always escalate things by burning or damaging public property (in this case, if nothing else, the road surface). It does NOTHING to help their cause.<br /> <br /> This is clearly a dispute between the Federal Government and the Natives over an agreement created well over 100 years ago, IF there is any credence to the natives claim it should be with the Federal Government they shoud be directing their efforts, NOT the local white community.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> You're ignoring how a development like this typically plays out. First the developer hatches some great money-making scheme. Then they proceed to start cutting through red tape. Public consultation is one of the LAST issues to resolve - by the time the public is "consulted", the plans are pretty cast in stone.<br /> <br /> You know, the profit margins for a large development usually come down to the time value of money. This delay may have already sunk the economic viability of the development in question.<br /> <br /> I'd imagine the natives would love to settle this with the federal government. But the department of indian affairs (is that the current name?) is legendary for its bureaucratic ability to stall any meaningful discussions. I'm not too sure about the details out east, but pretty much every first nations band has unsettled issues with the federal government that have been stalled for decades. Meanwhile, no one seems to have any problem with giving the land under consideration to developers to make a quick buck. And in many cases, the natives DO hold legal title to the lands in question...<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Rural}<br /> I am constantly amazed by those who come down on the OPP, they are just doing their job, they must uphold the law and obey any court orders the same as any citizen SHOULD. They are in the middle with a thankless task in a no win situation.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Well, when your job is to systematically oppress the marginalized while turning a blind eye to the gross corruption of all those wonderful CEO's and POLITICIANS who are constantly robbing us blind, maybe you DESERVE to be criticized. BC Premier Gordon Campbell can repeal the Freedom of Information clause in regards to crown corporations, making them publicly funded, but privately operated, then name his friends as CEO's of those corporations and no one can even LOOK at the budgets or sales receipts. Then when the trains start falling off the tracks and the ferries start sinking, and meanwhile we've lost possession of our rail lines and our ferry prices have gone up, the RCMP is nowhere to be found. I mean, it SOUNDS criminal to me. But I digress - you were talking about the OPP and here I am criticizing the RCMP.<br /> <br /> But I'm sick of that tired old spiel about "just doing their job". If the police can't handle public criticism of their often misguided decisions, perhaps they should look into a less ethically-challenging career. <br /> <br /> There is NO honour in being a mercenary peon.

   

"I am constantly amazed by those who come down on the OPP, they are just doing their job, they must uphold the law and obey any court orders the same as any citizen SHOULD. They are in the middle with a thankless task in a no win situation.<br /> <br /> REPLY - Well, when your job is to systematically oppress the marginalized while turning a blind eye to the gross corruption of all those wonderful CEO's and POLITICIANS who are constantly robbing us blind, maybe you DESERVE to be criticized." <br /> <br /> Total BS. The police should (and from my point of view with rare exceptions do) enforce the LAW and orders issued by the COURTS. They do not have (and should not have) any choice in the matter except for methods and timing. The day the police of any province or of Canada can CHOUSE what laws and orders they enforce is the day we revert back to the days of Nazi like brown shirts. If you disagree with the court order, use the legal system or negotiation to change it the same as the rest of us have to!!!<br /> There may well be some difficulties in resolving this INCLUDING previous difficulties between traditional and elected native chiefs and Provincial and Federal jurisditional differances, but I SAY AGAIN blocking public highways and destroying property does NOTHING to resolve the issue PEACFULLY.<br />

   

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... hub=Canada<br /> <br /> Updated Sun. Jun. 18 2006 12:44 PM ET<br /> <br /> "The Ontario government has made a deal to buy out a developer whose land has been occupied by Six Nations protesters in Caledonia, moving both sides closer towards a possible resolution of the months-old dispute."<br /> <br /> Well there you have it, the spinless government giving in once again to a bunch of hooligans. This type of spoiled child like behavoir will no doubt continue and even escalate because it's the way to do things now. All the Natives across Canada have to do is block the roads, pick up some weapons, hide their faces and cry that they are such a poor poor suppressed people to get handed over what ever they want and all at a huge cost to the taxpayer.<br /> <br /> They now live in their own little countries within which they can freely go about many types of illegal activities without any fear of the law. And I don't know why the OPP or RCMP are getting criticized one way or the other they are probably being ordered from higher up to let the Natives be. If it were you or I who set up a blockade across a road yielding weapons I don't think it be long before we were forcably removed, arrested and given a court date.<br /> <br /> Now lets have a look at the reporters who got a little too close with their cameras, whooaa there you might get a glimps of some of the activities behind the lines, so in true Native fashion what you deserve for getting too close is a good flailing on without reprecussion so you will think twice about trying to expose the truth.<br /> Oh, and look out if you happen to be an elderly couple who just happened to get a little too close for comfort, (from the CTV article) "Simcoe, Ont. residents Kathe and Guenter Golke were driving by the site when their vehicle was surrounded by angry protesters who jumped on the car's hood and banged on the windows."<br /> <br /> This is all getting rediculous, it is high time to stop giving in to childish temper tantrums and start making them abide by the law. If they want their land, freedom and traditional way of life so bad I say give them a whole Province all to themselves, BUT NO free housing, electricity,TV, booze, cigarettes,computers, cars, fastfood, tax free everything, free schooling, etc etc etc etc..............................etc etc.<br /> <br /> Milton's comment, "How obtuse can you get? The criminals descendants blaming the victims for being victimized." just enrages me. My family immegrated to Canada many generations ago and lived on a small plot of land which they farmed until their knees buckeled beneath them. They had nothing to do with any 'long past' events and I today, owe them nothing, zip, nil, notta ! In fact after so many years of living off the taxpayer you would think they would at least feel that they owe something to the country instead of taking it hostage and demanding more and more.<br /> <br /> Have a look at another story of the illegal life we pay for, http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... hub=Canada. /> <br /> I like this one, "Police believe some 2,000 cartons of native-made illegal cigarettes are transported every weekend through Akwesasne, which borders Ontario and Quebec." <br /> <br /> Where the heck are the police getting these numbers ? The ammount of illegal cigarettes is probably 100 times that, and that's just Akwesasne. There are huge quantities of these unmarked cigarettes changing hands and crossing Provincial borders, all to be sold to NON-native customers with huge nontaxed cash profits.<br /> <br /> Land of the free.............<br /> <br /> <br />

   

By the same token, where are you getting your numbers from Alqae? <br /> <br /> I get really tired of hearing people say that they bear no responsibility for the actions that their governments take. Excuses such as, my parents worked really hard and had terrible lives and abided by all the laws all the time and therefore people who have been cheated, exploited, abused, denigrated and even murdered should obey the laws and shuffle along to the concentration camps like good little cattle, don't impress me as being rational responsible behaviour.<br /> <br /> Corporations buy politicians, and politicians change the laws to favor corporations. This goes on and on, yet you pick the downtrodden to rail against.<br /> <br /> It is time for the dispossessed people in this world to come together and dispel the greedy self serving few who ruin this planet.

   

[QUOTE]I get really tired of hearing people say that they bear no responsibility for the actions that their governments take.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Actions that the 'government' took hundreds of years ago. Why the heck should I take resposibilty for something that had nothing to do with me, my Father or my Grand Father ? And yes they were hard working, thats NO excuse but something to be proud of !!<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]people who have been cheated, exploited, abused, denigrated and even murdered[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> This also happened to non native people throughout Canada's past, it's the sensationalism by the media that always brings the 'poor Native' aspect to the forefront. <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]yet you pick the downtrodden to rail against.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> In Caledonia it seems to be the so called 'downtrodden' who are railing on innocent reporters and passers by.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]By the same token, where are you getting your numbers from Alqae? [/QUOTE]<br /> (Well if if read it I said 'probably'.)<br /> <br /> Numbers, lets see, $12.3 million is what the government/taxpayers have to dish out to please the 'downtrodden' and thats not counting what will have to be dished out to compensate stores for their loss of revenue.<br /> A good friend told me of one reserve in southern Quebec where ONE store alone out of twelve or so on this one small reserve, would sell anywhere from two to three thousand cartons/bags of unmarked cigarettes and tobacco every two weeks. The cost was from $7 to $9 each and would be resold at $10 to $12 or higher each, all tax free pure profits. Absolutly none of this contrband was sold to Natives like the agreement stated and the cheaper (higher profit) supply was shipped in from Ontario, also agains agreements. Not to mention these stores all provide delivery services of cheaper beer and cigarettes into New Brunswick sixteen hours a day seven days a week with nothing ever done about it for years due to the fear of another uprising. These are some of the wealthiest people in the whole region.<br /> <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> <br />

   

Algae, Canadians are responsible for what Canada is, if wrongs were committed by the Canadian government in the past then it is up to us to make amends for what was done.<br /> <br /> Show me the links of the numerous examples of the media taking the First Nations side.<br /> <br /> Who buys the "contraband" ? <br /> <br /> None of the first Nations people that I know are rich. I don't know of any that are rich, as they are so prevalent, according to you, why don't you get your friend to provide us with their names.<br /> <br /> I'm sure there are a few who have embezzled tribal funds and resources and become rich in the process, aside from the provincial and federal governments of Canada.

   

Wrongs were done yes, but in the 'past' like you say and amends were made, in my opinion 10 fold by now. But thats not enough, now that it's known to block highways and bare arms and you will get everything you want, the demand for these amends and the violence will no doubt increase.<br /> <br /> I didn't mean the media was taking sides, but the way the native has always been portrayed by the media as the poor downtrodden Canadian. This is what sells news and has people believing that things have not changed in 200 yrs. Things have changed greatly.<br /> <br /> http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/aboriginal_people/aboriginal_portrayals.cfm<br /> <br /> I don't believe that you don't know any Native that is rich, and I did not say it was prevelant, I said in that region. Chiefs and store owners in those areas have two cars , some of which are Cadillacs, and beautiful homes with all the anemnities.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]I'm sure there are a few who have embezzled tribal funds and resources and become rich in the process, aside from the provincial and federal governments of Canada.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Far more than a few my friend, but you are correct about the government doing their share.<br /> <br /> <br /> Provide you with the names of my friends or the rich Natives ? Either ones I wouldn't be so foolish to post here. Sorry far too dangerous a thing to do.<br /> <br /> Well....Ovide Mercredi, he's quite wealthy by now but he's in the big leagues. <br /> <br /> Who buys the contraband ? You know very well the over taxed non native. Natives can afford the good stuff.

   

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