Bertuzzi Suspension
Mukluk @ Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:33 pm
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Proof once more what a JOKE the NHL is, has been for years, and will be from now on. If you factor in the cancelled season he received nothing for ending someones career. 
You are assuming his career is ended, despite the physicians' apparent opinion that he is fit to resume.
Possum?
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bootlegga @ Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:10 pm
Mukluk Mukluk:
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Apparently, the league hasn't learned anything. I guess the standard fine to end someone's career is about $500,000 and a year off hockey. Not too bad seeing as he wasn't going to play anyways with the NHLPA locked out.
You are falling into the trap of assessing punishment based on the consequence, and not the act. If you decide to ban Bertuzzi from hockey, it would be for punching a guy with a gloved hand and then falling on top of him as he went down.
This happens during almost every hockey fight, except that it isn't usually with a gloved hand!! Are you going to ban everyone from hockey that is in a fight? Or just sucker punches? Are you going to ban the guy that sliced Malarchuk's neck with his skate?
Punishment should fit the intent of the act, not the realised consequence. As such, Bertuzzi's act (sucker punch as act of revenge) was more than sufficiently punished IMHO.
In the spirit of consistency, perhaps Moore should also have been fined and suspended, however I never saw the hit to know if it was clean or not.
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And you are comparing apples to oranges. How is an accident like Clint Malarchuk and a vicious, pre-mediated attack the same thing? Like compare apples to apples. McSorley's attack was much more similar than Malrachuk's 1 in a million injury.
I wouldn't ban him for the attack but the intent behind the assault. It's one thing to hurt someone in a fight or a check and end their career. That's fate and there's nothing you can do about that shit. You can't ban Scott Stevens for nearly killing Eric Lindros in what everyone considers a fair hit, but you can ban a thug who attacks people from behind with the intent to injure him. Both Brad May and Bertuzzi promised payback for the hit.
http://www.canuckscentral.com/h0304.shtml
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/n ... sion_x.htm
From the clips I've seen of Moore's hit on Naslund, it was questionable, but there was no intent to end Naslund's career, or even injure him. Lots of other star players get hit harder than that all the time. Maybe a suspension by the league would have saved everyone all this grief. But the NHL (and the referees on the ice) felt it wasn't worth even 2 minutes in the penalty box, nevermind a suspension.
Personally, I think Bertuzzi's suspension, and all future suspensions where an intent to injure is the case, should be until the injured player comes back. Some say that's tough on the aggressor, but if he had committed this crime (and I do it consider it to be one) on the street, he would now have a criminal record and likely would have spent at least some time behind bars.
If and when Moore comes back, then, fine, reinstate Bertuzzi, but IMHO, Bertuzzi needs to be benched until Moore can play again. and if Moore never comes back, then Bertuzzi shouldn't be allowed to either. Why should one hockey player be allowed to intentionally rob another of their livelihood? The answer is they shouldn't.
I have no problem with hitting and fighting in the game but when people go out of their way to injure someone, they need to be gone, and for a long damn time.
canucker @ Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:24 pm
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"I've had a lot of sleepless nights trying to think of things."
VANCOUVER (CP) - He stepped across the blue-line and fired a low, hard shot that beat the goaltender on the short side, bringing a cheer from the crowd.
It was like old times for Todd Bertuzzi on Monday. The Vancouver Canucks forward was back on the ice at GM Place, ready to move on and hoping others were prepared to forget.
"There is no way I can change what happened in the past but I'm going to do what I can to make sure my career and my life aren't defined by what happened March 8," Bertuzzi said earlier when answering questions from the media for the first time since his on-ice attack of Steve Moore, then of the Colorado Avalanche.
One week after being reinstated by NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, and just over 17 months after being suspended for punching Moore from behind, Bertuzzi was part of the Canadian men's Olympic team orientation camp.
Always a local favourite, Bertuzzi was greeted by loud cheers from a crowd of just over 11,000 fans when he lined up for a team picture. Later, he received a standing ovation and acknowledged the crowd by waving a gloved hand in the air.
VANCOUVER (CP) - He stepped across the blue-line and fired a low, hard shot that beat the goaltender on the short side, bringing a cheer from the crowd.
It was like old times for Todd Bertuzzi on Monday. The Vancouver Canucks forward was back on the ice at GM Place, ready to move on and hoping others were prepared to forget.
"There is no way I can change what happened in the past but I'm going to do what I can to make sure my career and my life aren't defined by what happened March 8," Bertuzzi said earlier when answering questions from the media for the first time since his on-ice attack of Steve Moore, then of the Colorado Avalanche.
One week after being reinstated by NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, and just over 17 months after being suspended for punching Moore from behind, Bertuzzi was part of the Canadian men's Olympic team orientation camp.
Always a local favourite, Bertuzzi was greeted by loud cheers from a crowd of just over 11,000 fans when he lined up for a team picture. Later, he received a standing ovation and acknowledged the crowd by waving a gloved hand in the air.
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twister @ Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:15 am
Todd Bertuzzi vows to be a 'better person'
CTV.ca News Staff
In his first public statement in 17 months, Vancouver Canuck forward Todd Bertuzzi said he's endured "a lot of sleepless nights" over his on-ice attack of Steve Moore.
Bertuzzi said he has no answers for what happened on March 8, 2004. During a game that night against the Colorado Avalanche, Bertuzzi grabbed Moore from behind, punched him on the side of his head and then landed on top of him, driving his head into the ice.
"It happened. I can't go back and change what happened," Bertuzzi told reporters Monday at a Vancouver news conference. "The only thing I can do is come back even stronger, a better person off the ice and a better person on the ice.''
Bertuzzi said he hopes Moore, who may never play again, continues to progress and that he's back on the ice soon.
His agent, Pat Morris, said 10 attempts were made to arrange a meeting with Moore -- through the Colorado Avalanche, Moore's agent Larry Kelly, and a letter sent to Moore's lawyer Steve Danson -- but that Bertuzzi never got a response.
"You have to respect people's decisions," Bertuzzi said. "Some people forgive a lot easier than others ... I've made my attempts, but can't change someone's mindset."
Bertuzzi opened the news conference reading from a prepared statement.
"I've learned a lot, learned to put things in perspective, and learned how important hockey is to me," he said.
"There's no way I can change what happened in the past. But I'm going to do what I can that my career and my life aren't defined by what happened on March 8 but rather by what I did before and most important what I do after."
Today's statement was the first time Bertuzzi spoke publicly since his tearful apology a few days after the attack. He managed to control his emotions this time, but had to pause to regain his composure.
"I know I wish that day never happened. It's been some tough times but I've got some good family and good friends and good peers in the league that have helped me get over the hump and to move forward."
Last week, the National Hockey League reinstated Bertuzzi.
In a 4,500-word ruling, NHL Commissioner Bettman said he believed that Bertuzzi "is genuinely remorseful and apologetic for his actions ... and the consequences that have flowed from such actions.''
The same day Bertuzzi was reinstated, Hockey Canada asked the hulking forward to attend this week's Olympic training camp in Vancouver and Kelowna.
Reaction
Wayne Gretzky, Team Canada's executive director, said he didn't hesitate to invite Bertuzzi to training camp once he was reinstated.
"Todd feels worse about what happened than anybody," said Gretzky.
"He has been punished and served his time."
Potential teammates of Bertuzzi on the Olympic team sounded a similar tone of forgiveness.
"This is an incident that happened and the most important thing is Steve Moore is doing better," said Colorado Avalanche captain Joe Sakic.
"Todd has served his suspension and it was a lengthy suspension. ...He served that and you move on."
Fans, meanwhile, greeted Bertuzzi enthusiastically when he lined up for an Olympic team picture Monday night at Vancouver's GM place.
Earlier, fans gave him a loud ovation when he beat the goaltender on the short side during practice with a low, hard shot.
Following the March 8 incident, the league suspended Bertuzzi indefinitely. He sat out the rest of the regular season and all of the post-season. He wasn't allowed to play in the World Cup of Hockey last September, or the past two world championships.
The suspension cost Bertuzzi $501,926.39 in salary. He is due to earn $5,269,333 from the Canucks in the upcoming season.
Bertuzzi also pled guilty in December in a Vancouver court to criminal assault and was given a conditional discharge. He was sentenced to a year's probation and 80 hours of community service.
But the reinstatement doesn't mean Bertuzzi is completely off the hook. He will be "on probation" for the 2005-06 season.
And as per the conditions of his probation, Bertuzzi will not be allowed to play hockey or engage "in any other sporting activity involving Mr. Moore as a participant.''
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bulldawg @ Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:20 am
ahh the canadian past time, 12 men on razor blades moving at 35 mph,each carring a chunk of lumber all chaseing a 6 oz frozen rubber disc, trying to fire this disc at over 100 mph at or thru a man garding a 6x4 area, to achive a goal. Given this , what would one expect to happen, surly not violance
this is a bigger issue , police charging a hocey player for playing the game? , it fits with the wishy wash nature of most of the population of canada.
how about charging a ball player with a brush back pitch , or a linebacker hitting a qb to hard or a golfer hitting a ball in to a gallery , or a nascar driver for draft bumbing at 180 mph
this all happens in a sporting arena, each player knew what could and dose happen in any sport .
kinda makes hockey a girls sport only in canada eh
hwacker @ Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:07 am
Hows this for career ending.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/ ... 0092.shtmlCBS
canucker @ Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:26 pm
$1:
Boxer Leavander Johnson died Thursday from injuries sustained five days earlier in a lightweight title fight with Jesus Chavez.
The 35-year-old died at University Medical Center, where he had been hospitalized since being injured in the fight Saturday night at the MGM Grand hotel-casino.
The 35-year-old died at University Medical Center, where he had been hospitalized since being injured in the fight Saturday night at the MGM Grand hotel-casino.
I hate boxing.
ShepherdsDog @ Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:25 pm
It was a pre meditated assault. His suspension should have been the same duration a prison sentence would be for such a crime. He should have served time in prison for what he did. Does someone have to be killed before criminal charges are laid for these acts?
bulldawg @ Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:01 am
great too see old 44 playing for vancover again, this year's hockey seems to be missing something out there, maybe emotion. I think the players are getting on the shy side about hitting, after all they may be charged with something or the other