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Alright... After laughing through some Anti-Ottawa hockey comments, Leafs vs. Sens as usual, there was a note made.

A visitor on a Pro-Toronto Sports Teams website asked the website if Ottawa is (or was) Canada's Team.

The Sens were the final Canadian Team in the playoffs for two playoff rounds during the 2006/07 Stanley Cup finals.

On top of that, they are capital of Canada.

And not to mention they looked like they had a strong team throughout the playoffs (for once).

But were they really Canada's team? Not only Leaf Fans refused to support the Sens.

Many Flames Fans refused to too. And Canuck Fans.

As soon as the Flames and Canucks were out, many, many hockey fans stopped watching.

Now, the website responded with this to the Ottawa Fan:

Now, I know anyone would contest this greatly...

But I have to agree with it. And I have to take it one step further.

Toronto isn't only Canada's Team, Toronto is Hockey's Team.

Good or Bad, it's pretty much near undeniable. Toronto can "suck" as much as you want it to, but it's undeniable, Toronto is Hockey's Team.

Why?

Maybe the fact that the size of Leaf Nation could be bigger then all of Canada. Leaf Nation isn't only on Canadian Land. Leaf Nation spreads throughout Central Canada, to the West, seeping into the United States. Then there are European Hockey Fans, who often watch the NHL aswell... Leaf Fans thrive in any other Hockey City. Leaf Fans hodl their own incredibly well in Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa, Calgary and Edmonton.

Not to mention the legions of Leaf Fans that either live or visit Buffalo, New York, Detroit or Boston.

New York City, one of the biggest cities on the planet, has the Rangers. An original Six team. but of course, it being America, it's Fan Market is pathetic compared to Toronto. It's Starbucks vs. Tim Hortons on Canadian Soul.

Blake, a new Leafer, who just came from the New York Islanders, said it himself.

He now has to get used to living in a city, were his Hockey Team is life. "Welcome To Leafland!".

Now, I know I've already pissed off most of you. So I'll take you. Ottawa can't be Canada's Team, simply because not enough people view the Sens as a real Canadian team (despite being Canada's Capital). Montreal? No. Simply no. And I doubt anyone would argue with me on that either. Calgary, Vancouver and Edmonton? Maybe. But they're fans don't reach the world like Toronto's does. Calgary and Oiler fans are mainly based in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Canuck Fans? BC of course. Ottawa? They have about 24 drunk fans in reality, no where near Calgary, Toronto, Montreal, Edmonton or Vancouver... The Montreal Canadiens? Why not them you ask. Simple. It's not because the Team sucks, it's because their fans suck. Pure and simple, people have been saying it since 1993. Hab Fans are awful, awful fans.

A hilarious Montreal comedian said it well:

"So, how about them Leafs? I love you fans, because in Montreal, if the Habs lost a game, the fans go "Kill ze team" and stop watching for the season. But you leaf Fans, you know what I love about you? You just don't care. Win or Loss you've been selling out every single Leaf Game since 1942! The Leafs skate on the ice and you cheer "YAY THEY'VE GOT SKATES!", it's amazing..."

Now, The Leafs are easily the most recognizable hockey team there is. Easily. If you can argue that, I'd be shocked. The Habs may have won more cups, but the Habs still don't have nearly as much fan support and loyalty as Leaf Nation does. Leaf Fans are known for being "crazy" because they support their team through thick and thin and never give up on the Leafs.

The Leafs could "suck". Hell, some think they are the worst team in the league.

In fact, they are the Most Hated Hockey Team there is.

But they are also the Most Beloved. Toronto is the most known hockey team there is, despite not winning a cup for 40 years. So in honesty, not some 'typical' Leaf Fan tripe, I firmly believe that Toronto is Canada's Hockey Team. That they are Hockey's Team.

Leaf Nation literally owns the world. Toronto is Canada's Capital City, and Toronto IS the CENTRE of the Hockey Universe!

I'm done now. Go Leafs Go.

   

hehe, this will lead to death and destruction.

Probably some truth in it, but personallly if it comes down to Leafs vs [other Canadian Team]],, I'll always cheer [Other Canadian Team]. Hockey coverage in Canada has always been a little Leaf centric thanks to HNIC, probably one of the few legit complaints about the CBC. Don't mistake that centrism with actual respect for the Leafs by fans across the country though.

   

Of course not. But because of that Centrism, Leaf Fans have developed a huge fan base, I know, I know, it's so unfair that the Leafs get all that coverage... I agree with that, And it's produced probably as many haters as supporters.

I forgot to include that leaf Fans breed Leaf Fans, but that's future wise, Even with the CBC changing it's schedule to show more Canadian Teams, expect Leaf Nation to grow,

I expect this thread will lead to much bashing of the Leafs and my intelligence, but eh, I'd probably get a nice punch in the face by a Montreal Fan for my comments. lol

But, I posted this simply to make people with open hockey minds just honestly think about it, While the Leafs are despised and hated by many, it's hard to argue that the Leafs aren't the biggest team there is.

The call it, "The Leafs Empire".

Ehehe,

   

I actually get it from Calgarians, but whatever, lol

Hey, some Flame (and Canucks and Oilers) fans in med hat started cheering for the Sens... infact, we had a Sens Van driving around town. (it actually looked pretty neat)

But the amount of Sens Car Flags were obviously much less then the Flame Flags just up weeks earlier... And I bet they were much less in Calgary aswell.

I still find it surprising however that Ottawa-hating Calgary would cheer for the Sens EVER.... Wonder what would happen if Montreal did actually become the last standing Canadian Team... Would The West Cheer?

Would ANYONE?

:lol:

It's a Toronto Sports (Jays, FC, Leafs, Argos, Raptors) website, not a conspiracy website, And the comment made was made by one of 3 Toronto Fans who run the Website. It has an obvious bias, it hates Ottawa, Welcome to hockey rivalry. I was just showing how true that comment made by "The Panel" could be.

   

Hmmm.....


I have to agree that Ottawa isn't Canada's team. I know a lot of die hard hockey fans out here either didn't watch the finals or were indifferent to it's outcome. On the other hand though, many fans cheered for Ottawa simply because they were the Canadian based team, I for one, but for the most part it wasn't life or death if they won or lost. It sure as hell wasn't the same when Calgary or Edmonton made their runs, at least out here. Many CanuckleHeads were cheering for them even though they were division rivals.

I think your wrong about Montreal overall though. Sure the Montreal fans are the most demanding of their team in the NHL. The team has a lot more tradition to live up to than any other team. Montreal has fans all over the world as well. The vast majority of Europeans, especially those from the eastern block countries, when asked about NHL teams still comment first about Montreal. Montreal is the hardest market to play in in the NHL there is no doubt, but their fans expect a cup win every year. They will always be that way and I'm not so sure that's a bad thing. The Montreal organization has shaped hockey more than any other franchise. Look at who leads the NHL, many coaches and GM's from around the league in the last decade are ex Canadians players or coaches. The last Montreal dynasty not only produced several cup wins, but they produced great hockey men that shaped the game as we know it.

Toronto has had much better teams in the last decade or so and are the best run organization as far as fan development in the NHL there is no arguing that. I'd have to say that there are probably as many Leaf fans as Hab fans spread all over the country. You can go to home games in Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton and see pretty much and equal number of Leaf or Hab jerseys in the stands cheering for "Canada's" team. I've been exposed to the Montreal / Toronto rivalry all my life (Mom a Toronto fan/ Dad a Montreal fan), talk about wild Saturday nights around my place when I was growing up. But to label one or the other of these teams to be Canada's team, or for that matter Hockey's team, is an injustice to the other organization. It's unfortunate that we'll never see another Montreal / Toronto Stanley cup final again, they were the series that legends were made of.

Mr. C., I don't know if you've watch the series "Hockey, a Peoples History", but you should. I think you'd see a different view on who and why people think Toronto or Montreal is "Canada's" team.

   

Same. I cheered for the Oilers too, (but not the Flames, Sorry, )

Great argument. I have to agree.

*mumbles something about 1993 being are final chance for a Great Canadian Stanley Cup Final*

*tear rolls down Blue and White painted face*

I unfortunately have never been able to watch the whole thing, and would like to gt aroudn to it. But I believe you must be talking about the Toronto vs. Montreal battles with more then just hockey. Toronto symbolized English Canada, Montreal, French Canada. The Fact that both cities are needed for Canada to be today's Canada, And being the Two largest cities in Canada.

   

Well...

Have any Oiler/Flame fans died yet at the hands of rivalry?

Probably. Stupid question.

Now, it's obvious that the Battle of Ontario isn't as big as the Battle of Alberta.

Simply... Because Ottawa and Toronto don't have the same tools for a good rivalry as Edmonton and Calgary does. Toronto and Ottawa don't have a huge history of competition liek the Edmonton and Calgary.

I still think the Toronto vs. Montreal rivalry is still bigger then Ottawa vs Toronto,

   

I don't think there is a bigger rivalry in sport than Montreal / Toronto. The battle of Alberta is a great one, but it hasn't been going on at the pro level for, what, 90 years. Even during last season, man I wouldn't miss and Toronto / Montreal game, and I'm a Canucks fan, they were brutal contests.

   

Yeah, I love Leafs/Habs games. I like the Sens rivalry a lot too, But when it's Montreal and Toronto, it's more then just being the best in the area.

There is huge history...

I mean, Game 82 this year for the leafs and Hab fans was the biggest thing we got to see pretty much all season. It meant more then any of our other games.

And when we won that, It meant more to us then just beating them. We aren't the rivals we once were anymore, unfortunately, but pretty much every Leaf Fan cares more about beating out Historical Rivals again and again then beating out Provincial Rivals. It means more to play the Habs. Ottawa is pretty much our cutsy rival. They aren't the team Montreal is.

It'd be hard to debate a game bigger then that during the regulation season...

I'm going to admit now that some of my comments about Montreal were somewhat unwarranted in my original post in this thread...

   

Um... Okay.

I'm nto going to make a New thread on this...

But QBC...

Um...

What happened to my Leafs Support Thread?!

It's... Gone.

Like......

Gone...

Over 1400 posts...

Gone...

EDIT: Nevermind. Took me about 20 minutes of searching frantically for a link to see if the reason for is disappearance would be on the thread... To find that the thread is fine.

It's right here.

But I don't understand where it when from the List. I should be able to find it in the Hockey Forum and see it on the Toronto Maple Leafs CKA page Most Recent Leafs Threads.

I only got the link into it by clicking the reference given by RipCat that earned me my hockey medal,

But just wondering, is this a glitch? Why doesn't my thread get listed?

EDIT2: My thread was moved from the Hockey Thread to... Nowhere.

It reads "Canadian Forums -> The CKA Leaf Nation Thread of Support"

When it should read: "Canadian Forums -> Interests -> Sports -> Hockey -> The CKA Leaf Nation Thread of Support"



*scratches head*

   

It's gone??????

Hmmmm..........I will investigate

   

Nono, it's here.

And not here at the same time.



It's literally ON THE CKA FORUM ITSELF. Not in a section or anything. It should be in hockey. Instead, it;s... Nowhere. I'm goign to psot in it jsut to see if it shows up on anything...

So strange, lol

   

This thread is so incredibly off. Montreal is and always will be the most historic, storied, beloved team in the NHL and in hockey. Only leafs fans care about the leafs. Everyone (who isn't a leafs fan) admires and loves the habs for what they are.

   

ROTFL

Everyone admires the Habs?!



Every Leaf Hater I know who ISN'T a Habs fan would cheer the Leafs over the Habs ANY DAY.

For once I wasn't the only one in Medicine Hat cheering for the Leafs. April 7th was fun.

Beloved team... Ehehehe... God that's funny.

I'm sorry that you think I'm wrong, lol, But I'm correct.

I don't know how often you've gotten out of Montreal, but you should every so often.

I don't deny Montreal being one of the most storied, historical teams in the NHL and Hockey, But I do deny you being loved.

Take it from a Leaf Fan living in the West...

NO ONE LIKES US. (Habs and Leafs)

Got it? Doesn't matter how many cups you've won, the Habs aren't loved by everyone...

I could also easily contest that Toronto is also one of the most historic, storied, beloved teams int he NHL.

   

You're silly. I was only born in Montreal. The reason I am a habs fan is because both my father and grandfather were die-hard fans. Aside from living in Montreal (8 years) I have lived in Toronto (6 years), Miami (2 years), Detroit (6 years), NYC (1 year) and Chicago (3 years)

So I do have a wide scope of who hockey fans admire, and whenever I wear a habs shirt hockey fans in any city comment on it to me usually by saying "GO HABS!!!"

So there!

EDIT: in 5 weeks I am adding another city to my long list of places lived and moving to Ottawa. Another city where tha habs are much loved and well respected..if only because they were the closest NHL team for so long. heh

   

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