A looter's insincere apology.
Zipperfish @ Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:20 pm
Brenda Brenda:
When you have drugs in your system, you are not sober. You might feel sober, but you are not.
Ummm....no. It is not THC (the "active ingredient" in marijuana) but it's lipophilic metabolites that are detected in a drug test. And they remain in your system for up to several weeks. It's absolutely ludicrous to state that a person is still intoxicated from a toke they took two weeks ago.
Zipperfish @ Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:38 pm
Brenda Brenda:
So? All the people who's pictures are posted who were downtown Vancouver and are "outed as rioters" online who may not have had anything to do with it could be ruined. Why? Because they watched a hockey game.
The kissing couple, for instance. Rumours were going around she was stabbed and there was no one to help her, but her boyfriend. She was pushed over. But she did not riot. How many more did not riot, but are outed as rioters?
Are you going to call their bosses too?
The kissing couple, for instance. Rumours were going around she was stabbed and there was no one to help her, but her boyfriend. She was pushed over. But she did not riot. How many more did not riot, but are outed as rioters?
Are you going to call their bosses too?
Here is Alex Prochazka, professional mountain biker (actually, at this point, you could say previous professional mountain biker) in his Oakley shirt, with his arms up.
So what do you say, Brenda? Is he just hanging out and minding his own business. Actually, Mr. Prochazka did try that excuse, until the video showed up of him helping to tip the burning car.
And then there's Dustin Anderson, the scumbag who punched a firefighter in the face.
He feels "trapped in his home" because of his infamy and is now going to turn himself in to police. You think he looks like the kind of guy who would have felt bad the next day and turned himself in? Not likely.
Frankly, I have a hard time mustering any sympathy for him.
From my point of view, I find it all very restoring. Now I don't have to be upset three years down the road when they are all let off with a slap on the wrist, if that.
martin14 @ Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:17 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
Who's the consumer? Someone living in a foreign country that will never have any dealings with this car dealership is not a consumer. If I owned the car dealership and received the e-mail sent by Martin, my reply would have been "Fuck off and mind your own business. I wouldn't sell a car to a douchebag like you at any price." Nothing personal, Martin, no offence intended.
None taken, but pick on Zipperfish for the next time. He is inspiring me.
The real issue here is peoples' faith in the justice system.
You, Lemmy, still believe the system will work. One of the reasons you are in the minority,
is most people believe it won't serve 'justice', and won't dissuade people from rioting again.
Borrowed from Scape; Lemmy you should read it.
http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Updat ... story.html
The poll at the end speaks for itself:
What percentage of identified participants in the Vancouver riot will be prosecuted?
100 percent
12%
75 percent
5%
50 percent
9%
25 percent
11%
Less than 25 percent
62%
$1:
Premier Christy Clark said last week that a special team of prosecutors will work with police to ensure that those involved in the mayhem will receive swift and, if possible, severe penalties including jail time.
Critics this week, however, questioned the reality of this happening in a court system described as overwhelmed and underfunded.
“Ms. Clark and her government are clearly out of touch with how are courts are truly operating,” said Jason Tarnow, a Vancouver criminal defence lawyer.
Critics this week, however, questioned the reality of this happening in a court system described as overwhelmed and underfunded.
“Ms. Clark and her government are clearly out of touch with how are courts are truly operating,” said Jason Tarnow, a Vancouver criminal defence lawyer.
Doesn't sound to me like things will be any different from '94,'93, G20, Olympics, you name it.
So, collectively, people have said "fuck it", and are doing something else.
And there are a lot of them.
The photos posted leave no room for doubt, if they do, they don't get posted.
No one has called the kissing couples' employers.
My email to Burrard Acura didn't matter. SHE WAS FIRED ON SATURDAY.
Which means, a lot of other people got to them long before I came along.
Same with the carpenter in Richmond, 100 people complained to the bosses.
If it was one of mine, he wouldn't survive the first 10 calls.
For those who are sure the justice system will 'get' all the rioters, think about
what may happen if people don't believe in the system any more.
You are watching it now, and maybe you should sit down and have a real think
if you are so sure you are right.
rickc @ Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:34 am
Praxius Praxius:
Brenda Brenda:
You're not alone in this one.
When someone gets in his car after a night out with 2 drinks too many, he is participating in an illegal activity. I don't think many people will call his boss to fire him the next day. They might call the cops to stop him from driving drunk, but that's all.
I find it very funny that so many people call for their "deaths" or "long prison sentences" and "destroy their careers" while a murderer gets out in 5 years, and no body cares about the next door neighbour who gets mugged right at this moment.
When someone gets in his car after a night out with 2 drinks too many, he is participating in an illegal activity. I don't think many people will call his boss to fire him the next day. They might call the cops to stop him from driving drunk, but that's all.
I find it very funny that so many people call for their "deaths" or "long prison sentences" and "destroy their careers" while a murderer gets out in 5 years, and no body cares about the next door neighbour who gets mugged right at this moment.
When she acted in a mob mentality and got involved in a riot and then goes online and publically does what she just did, she opened the door for others to finger point, express their opinions and do what they can legally do.... which is refuse to spend their money somewhere and express why..... that's capitalism.
If she can express herself so openly and finger point at everybody else, then so can the rest of us. She's the one who opened this can of worms.
And based on my observations over the years, I have seen plenty of people call for harsher punishments for drunk drivers..... I have also saw many people make demands for them to lose their jobs.
Nobody in here that I have seen has demanded her death..... they want some level of legal punishment or community service and they wanted her to lose her current job as icing on the cake to possibly stick the message a little harder to her forehead. Nobody is saying she shouldn't ever work again and be tossed out on the streets, forever being punished into living a crappy life.
She'll get another job, she'll learn a valuable lesson and her life will go on..... cripes, you make it sound like she's getting her hand lopped off for stealing.
When you commit offences against the public/community, don't be so shocked and surprised when the public/community responds as they do......
Don't like it?
Don't pull a stupid stunt like this then.
It's pretty simple.... it's not rocket science, it's mere brain surgery.
Keep in mind, if she originally left it as just a public apology like it currently is on her link & left all the excuses and blame shifting out.... none of this would be happening right now and she wouldn't be getting the crap tossed her way that's currently happening. So don't go blaming others for their reactions to what she originally created.
Maybe you think you're on the higher moral road by trying to turn the other cheek..... but others in here, including myself, believe in stiff consequences for one's actions.
You and I both know she'd only get a slap on the wrist and perhaps a small fine.... in her mind and in her own original confessions/words, she never truly accepted responsibility, she blamed it on everybody else and used every excuse under the sun to play the poor victim...... thus she never truly learned her lesson, thus the next best thing to send that lesson home to her is to do what others have done here.
Otherwise she'd never truly learn from her mistakes and possibly end up committing similar acts later down the road, continuing to think the consequences are minimal or non-existent so long as she simply apologies.
^ And that's the real problem..... that's the point others in here are trying to make.
You may not agree with it, but them's the breaks.
Bravo! That is one of the better posts I have read in a while. This woman could have realized that the jig was up,and turned herself in quietely. She made a decision to post her bullshit spin control post, where she brought her employer into the mix. She made a decision to involve her employer in this fiasco, and it came back to bite her in the ass. She gambled and she lost,end of story. No one likes a sore loser. Same with this dipshit mountain biker. When he made a decision to wear his sponsers t-shirt while engaging in a criminal act, he made the decision to involve his sponser. He opened that can of worms. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. People have every right to inform the sponser of their displeasure with the actions of someone who is representing the company. Just ask Tiger Woods.
If Gunnair was off duty but still in his military uniform, his actions reflect on the military. If he was drunk and assaulting tourists, I would have no qualms about contacting the Navy [I am to old to call it by another name]. I know that the Navy would do a much better job of screwing him than the police ever could. By wearing his uniform in the commision of a crime, he would be making the decision to involve his employer. These people made the decision to drag their enmployers and sponsers into this clusterfuck. They made their bed, let them lay in it.
ShepherdsDog @ Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:53 am
he wouldn't even have to be in uniform. If you knew he was in the military and had proof he was engaged in 'questionable' behaviour, that would be enough to lead to trouble. The military has the QR&Os on top of other rules and regulations that govern civil society. I believe it was Sec. 119(?), against the predjudice and good order of military discipline, that was the biggest catch all. In the military, and police, your time is still your employers' time.
canuckns @ Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:45 am
Dustin Anderson on video assaulting police and firemen Man who taunted riot police plans surrender
Zipperfish @ Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:00 am
canuckns canuckns:
Dustin Anderson on video assaulting police and firemen Man who taunted riot police plans surrender
He is an angry midget.
EyeBrock @ Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:49 am
Really, do we as a society have to wait for the police and the courts to tell us what is right or wrong? Citizens in a civilised society should be able to suss out that rioting, looting, arson, damaging others property etc is wrong.
Using social media to pillory these wankers who think accountability is an emoticon is no different than Mr Angry writing a letter to the Times on football hooligans.
It's not being a posse, nobody is getting strung up on a tree. What is happening though is that people are being held accountable for their actions against the society they live in.
It's good to see people rising up and expressing disgust at the indefensible actions of these tossers on the rampage. Leaving it all up to police and the courts is just a lazy-arse way of facing up to your civic responsibilities.
In 1829 Sir Robert Peel said;
"...The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."
I think he said it rather well.
Zipperfish @ Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:50 am
This just in from Oakley Canada:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/OakleyCanada
$1:
Oakley does not condone or support the actions taken by Alex Prochazka. And as a result of his behavior, Oakley Canada has elected to end its association with Alex Prochazka effective immediately.
Zipperfish @ Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:51 am
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
In 1829 Sir Robert Peel said;
"...The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."
I think he said it rather well.
"...The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."
I think he said it rather well.
That is an excellent quote.
martin14 @ Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:55 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
canuckns canuckns:
Dustin Anderson on video assaulting police and firemen Man who taunted riot police plans surrender
He is an angry midget.
I'm sure when the time comes, Dustin will get thread here all to his own.
Kudos to Oakley !
fifeboy @ Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:04 am
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Really, do we as a society have to wait for the police and the courts to tell us what is right or wrong? Citizens in a civilised society should be able to suss out that rioting, looting, arson, damaging others property etc is wrong.
Using social media to pillory these wankers who think accountability is an emoticon is no different than Mr Angry writing a letter to the Times on football hooligans.
It's not being a posse, nobody is getting strung up on a tree. What is happening though is that people are being held accountable for their actions against the society they live in.
It's good to see people rising up and expressing disgust at the indefensible actions of these tossers on the rampage. Leaving it all up to police and the courts is just a lazy-arse way of facing up to your civic responsibilities.
In 1829 Sir Robert Peel said;
"...The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."
I think he said it rather well.
Well said Brock. Sounds as if you could be a Policeman yerself Using social media to pillory these wankers who think accountability is an emoticon is no different than Mr Angry writing a letter to the Times on football hooligans.
It's not being a posse, nobody is getting strung up on a tree. What is happening though is that people are being held accountable for their actions against the society they live in.
It's good to see people rising up and expressing disgust at the indefensible actions of these tossers on the rampage. Leaving it all up to police and the courts is just a lazy-arse way of facing up to your civic responsibilities.
In 1829 Sir Robert Peel said;
"...The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."
I think he said it rather well.
fifeboy @ Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:08 am
Tricks Tricks:
Brenda Brenda:
How can you be fired from a job because you have a prior criminal record (as you state)? That's not fair. You never should have been hired if it is reason to fire you.
Not all businesses will conduct a background check, so if one lies about it on their application then it's obviously grounds for dismissal.
Zipperfish @ Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:37 am
The more I think about it the more I note that Nathan Kotylak's sentence will be quite unique in modern criminology history.
Perhaps I can forgive him--in time. But on the internet he will always be the guy that torched the cop car. Nothing he ever does in the rest of his life will change that fact as far as the Google search engine is concerned. He will defined by that one decision; he will be trapped forever in this moment in time:
A very public sentence for a very public crime.
EyeBrock @ Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:42 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
In 1829 Sir Robert Peel said;
"...The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."
I think he said it rather well.
"...The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."
I think he said it rather well.
That is an excellent quote.
Peel's 9 principles of policing. They still ring true today. Some cops do need to be reminded of them now and then! I'm a big believer in Peel.