B.C. government sues to get health-care costs
Macguyver @ Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:37 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
peck420 peck420:
Why should your (our) tax dollars go to pay medical expenses incured because of someone else's neglect and illegal activity?
Why should you have tax payer supported health care at all?
I'd rather my taxes go to health care than pay premiums supporting the insurance industry.
Macguyver @ Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:39 pm
Brenda Brenda:
Macguyver Macguyver:
Brenda Brenda:
Well, that would mean we don't need a health BC anymore. Would save a shitload of money too. Because EVERY time you go to a doctor, it is because of neglect. Cancer? I'm sure you ate veggies with lead, or you smoked, or you drank, or you had unprotected sex or you didn't exercise enough in your life.
Broke your leg? Yeah, well, you should have watched what you were doing so you didn't trip (or whatever the reason was).
And so on...
Broke your leg? Yeah, well, you should have watched what you were doing so you didn't trip (or whatever the reason was).
And so on...
If it comes with a warning lable with a graphic picture of someone dead, dying or sick, then the health risks associated with that activity ahouls be at your own risk.
If you break your leg playing soccer I'm ok with footing the bill.
And what if I break my leg walking on the side walk, tripping over... I dunno, nothing? A pebble?
Btw, if I have to foot the bill whenever my kids are playing anything and breaking something, I am not going to put my kids into any sports, nor will I put myself into any sports. Also, I would tell the school that my kids are not allowed to play, because I cannot afford the damage when they get hurt or hurt someone else.
I'm footing the bill for your sports injuries so don't worry about it. Just quit smoking already I'm tired of paying for people who are unhealthy and don't give a shit.
Gunnair @ Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:49 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Macguyver Macguyver:
Why should you're (our) tax dollars go to pay the medical expenses incured because of someone else's neglect
So you folks are suing fat and inactive people, right?
Exactly. As much as I like to knee jerk and agree, fact is, the slippery slope is a long one.
Your six year old bikes without a helmet, has a fall and needs stitches. Government sues because the six year old should have been wearing a helmet.
Fatties, smokers, drinkers, hikers, BMX bikers - anything even remotely risky.
One can look at the illegal aspect, but fact is, if someone robs a bank, flees, and gets hit by a bus - is the answer to sue him for the cost of his medical expences? Good luck with that.
Tough call.
andyt @ Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:59 pm
If negligence can be proven and there are assets to be recovered, go for it. When you have an accident ICBC pays your medical expenses, not MSP. Seems like the same thing here. If it makes bars clamp down harder on fights, and the cops shape up, that's all to the good,
Gunnair @ Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:20 pm
andyt andyt:
If negligence can be proven and there are assets to be recovered, go for it. When you have an accident ICBC pays your medical expenses, not MSP. Seems like the same thing here. If it makes bars clamp down harder on fights, and the cops shape up, that's all to the good,
I think you forgot to mention the guys actually participating in the fight. Any thoughts for personal accountability in there or is it society's fault?
Brenda @ Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:47 pm
Gunnair Gunnair:
Exactly. As much as I like to knee jerk and agree, fact is, the slippery slope is a long one.
Your six year old bikes without a helmet, has a fall and needs stitches. Government sues because the six year old should have been wearing a helmet.
Fatties, smokers, drinkers, hikers, BMX bikers - anything even remotely risky.
One can look at the illegal aspect, but fact is, if someone robs a bank, flees, and gets hit by a bus - is the answer to sue him for the cost of his medical expences? Good luck with that.
Tough call.
Your six year old bikes without a helmet, has a fall and needs stitches. Government sues because the six year old should have been wearing a helmet.
Fatties, smokers, drinkers, hikers, BMX bikers - anything even remotely risky.
One can look at the illegal aspect, but fact is, if someone robs a bank, flees, and gets hit by a bus - is the answer to sue him for the cost of his medical expences? Good luck with that.
Tough call.
Of course not. The bus driver should have been paying attention, so he has to pay. Personally of course, despite the fact he was working. Because when we sue the bus company, where would the personal responsibility be? And, the ticket price would go up, and we can't have that.
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stratos @ Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:06 pm
The bar I go to has had a few fights, about 6 in the last year, one of them being mine. Thing is on the UFC fight nights there is a cop there. In trouble spots there is a cop every night. Why can't the bars in the B.C. area employee an off duty officer, they would be in uniform and a deterrent. Something does happen they can arrest and or remove the person(s). Liability taken some what off the bar and put on the cop on site.
The off duty officer(s) are actually working a type of OT. the bar sends in a request to have an officer(s) on site for x number of hours. Off duty officers sign up for it and get paid good money. 20-25 dollars an hour, Christmas and New Years are double that last I heard but might be even higher now.
Brenda @ Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:12 pm
A cop is employed by the government, not by a bar-owner. A bar-owner can hire a private bouncer or something.
You can't expect the tax payer who doesn't like to go to bars, or never fights, pay for the cop to keep the morons from fighting, right?
Btw, $20-25/hr is not good money when you can be sure you will not be treated that nice, and bear responsibility. What happens when the cop hits someone with a baton and that person needs stitches, or breaks an arm? Will the cop be sued?
Brenda @ Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:35 pm
Macguyver Macguyver:
I'm footing the bill for your sports injuries so don't worry about it. Just quit smoking already I'm tired of paying for people who are unhealthy and don't give a shit.
So ban smokes, fine the stores that sell it. While you're at it, ban the liquor stores (drunks ruin their liver and drive around killing people), close fast food restaurants, and maybe it is a good idea to make chips, KD, coke and all that shit WAY more expensive too. Or ban it all together. Also, ban sex (std's cause a lot of shit, as do unwanted pregnancies, as well as wanted pregnancies, and since I don't want to pay for your kids education, I don't wanna pay for your pregnancy and delivery either)
When you get some lung disease because you worked with crap that gives you that, don't come to me, sue your former boss. If that was you, too bad.
Ok, I'm done being sarcastic.
stratos @ Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:14 pm
Brenda Brenda:
A cop is employed by the government, not by a bar-owner. A bar-owner can hire a private bouncer or something.
You can't expect the tax payer who doesn't like to go to bars, or never fights, pay for the cop to keep the morons from fighting, right?
Btw, $20-25/hr is not good money when you can be sure you will not be treated that nice, and bear responsibility. What happens when the cop hits someone with a baton and that person needs stitches, or breaks an arm? Will the cop be sued?
You can't expect the tax payer who doesn't like to go to bars, or never fights, pay for the cop to keep the morons from fighting, right?
Btw, $20-25/hr is not good money when you can be sure you will not be treated that nice, and bear responsibility. What happens when the cop hits someone with a baton and that person needs stitches, or breaks an arm? Will the cop be sued?
The bar pays not tax payers, and yes 20-25 an hour is good money as for being treated nice, cops down here are treated for the most part with respect till they arrest someone then that person becomes an ass others don't harass the cop. The officer works as an on site police officer so any law suite would be against the city, bar and officer. It is very rare for an officer to hit someone with a ASP (think collapsible baton)and they need stitches, most strikes are on muscle area's legs, arms ect.
Brenda @ Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:26 pm
I don't know if a cop off duty can be hired as an on duty cop by a private company. It would look like a conflict of interest to me.
stratos @ Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:31 pm
Brenda Brenda:
I don't know if a cop off duty can be hired as an on duty cop by a private company. It would look like a conflict of interest to me.
It's basically a form of sub contracting. In the case I'm talking about it keeps the on duty cops on the road while officers off duty wanting Over Time the ability to get it.