Canada's rich get richer, poor get poorer, study finds
OPP @ Fri May 11, 2007 9:41 am
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
OPP OPP:
Brenda Brenda:
Like raising taxes will do the trick 
Raise taxation on the wealthiest. Cut their salaries in half or what have you and you'll see a drastic change in the gap between rich and poor. I thought that was the aim here?
I knew someone would say that.
But wealth is only wealth compared to poverty. A poor man in Sweden might be a fairly wealthy man in africa. Everyone can't be a Bill Gates... So the question then becomes... How rich should one be allowed to be?
Brenda @ Fri May 11, 2007 9:43 am
Why should one "be allowed" wealthy?
You work, you get paid. You work harder, you get paid more. Easy, ain't it...
OPP @ Fri May 11, 2007 9:45 am
Brenda Brenda:
Why should one "be allowed" wealthy?
You work, you get paid. You work harder, you get paid more. Easy, ain't it...
You work, you get paid. You work harder, you get paid more. Easy, ain't it...
Sure! If everyone could attain the same wealth!
But the reality is.. not everyone can become a journalist or a dentist or surgeon. Some people just have to make due on what jobs there are.
Brenda @ Fri May 11, 2007 9:47 am
And why does that make someone "poor"?
Just don't spend more than you earn...
OPP @ Fri May 11, 2007 9:49 am
Brenda Brenda:
And why does that make someone "poor"?
Just don't spend more than you earn...
Just don't spend more than you earn...
There are many places in the world where the minimum wage they are paid just don't make the bill. They can't pay the rent and are forced to work two, thre jobs and it's still not enough. That is poverty.
Brenda @ Fri May 11, 2007 9:55 am
OPP OPP:
Brenda Brenda:
And why does that make someone "poor"?
Just don't spend more than you earn...
Just don't spend more than you earn...
There are many places in the world where the minimum wage they are paid just don't make the bill. They can't pay the rent and are forced to work two, thre jobs and it's still not enough. That is poverty.
Yep, I know... And that is very sad, but i am not willing to take the blame for that, nor am I willing to pay for it.
We live in the West here, and I am very willing to share, but there are limits. We have 52% taxes for the most wealthy people. And a savings tax of 29%. And road taxes. I think I pay my share.
I think people who need to work 3 jobs to get even every month should have been educated in an earlier state of their lifes.
Blue_Nose @ Fri May 11, 2007 10:02 am
OPP OPP:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
OPP OPP:
Brenda Brenda:
Like raising taxes will do the trick
Raise taxation on the wealthiest. Cut their salaries in half or what have you and you'll see a drastic change in the gap between rich and poor. I thought that was the aim here?
I knew someone would say that.
But wealth is only wealth compared to poverty. A poor man in Sweden might be a fairly wealthy man in africa. Everyone can't be a Bill Gates... So the question then becomes... How rich should one be allowed to be?
OPP @ Fri May 11, 2007 10:03 am
Brenda Brenda:
OPP OPP:
Brenda Brenda:
And why does that make someone "poor"?
Just don't spend more than you earn...
Just don't spend more than you earn...
There are many places in the world where the minimum wage they are paid just don't make the bill. They can't pay the rent and are forced to work two, thre jobs and it's still not enough. That is poverty.
Yep, I know... And that is very sad, but i am not willing to take the blame for that, nor am I willing to pay for it.
We live in the West here, and I am very willing to share, but there are limits. We have 52% taxes for the most wealthy people. And a savings tax of 29%. And road taxes. I think I pay my share.
I think people who need to work 3 jobs to get even every month should have been educated in an earlier state of their lifes.
But you're not listening to me! Education won't change a thing if theres not enough well paid jobs to go around and there aren't!
bootlegga @ Fri May 11, 2007 10:04 am
Well, in all fairness Brenda, working harder helps, but it doesn't help everyone. People can work 60 hours a week or more here in Alberta and still not manage to make ends meet. I work 40 hours a week and I'm looking for a P/T job right now to help with expenses.
Why? Housing prices have skyrocketed (both to own and to rent) for one thing. While jumps from $600 to $1000 monthly rent are the exception, it has become commonplace for rents to jump up to 20-30%. And to buy, it is even worse. A duplex last year that was $180,000 new is now selling for $350,000! That takes a bite out of anyone's income, no matter if you are working a service industry job or college educated.
While I agree that households with two well-educated people are one of the reasons for the rise in the gap between rich and poor, housing is another. Most people living below or near the poverty line don't own the property they live in, while the well-educated usually do.
OPP @ Fri May 11, 2007 10:04 am
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
OPP OPP:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
OPP OPP:
Brenda Brenda:
Like raising taxes will do the trick
Raise taxation on the wealthiest. Cut their salaries in half or what have you and you'll see a drastic change in the gap between rich and poor. I thought that was the aim here?
I knew someone would say that.
But wealth is only wealth compared to poverty. A poor man in Sweden might be a fairly wealthy man in africa. Everyone can't be a Bill Gates... So the question then becomes... How rich should one be allowed to be?
A progressive society? I thought that was the aim of this thread. To progress from inequality to equality?
Brenda @ Fri May 11, 2007 10:06 am
OPP OPP:
Brenda Brenda:
OPP OPP:
Brenda Brenda:
And why does that make someone "poor"?
Just don't spend more than you earn...
Just don't spend more than you earn...
There are many places in the world where the minimum wage they are paid just don't make the bill. They can't pay the rent and are forced to work two, thre jobs and it's still not enough. That is poverty.
Yep, I know... And that is very sad, but i am not willing to take the blame for that, nor am I willing to pay for it.
We live in the West here, and I am very willing to share, but there are limits. We have 52% taxes for the most wealthy people. And a savings tax of 29%. And road taxes. I think I pay my share.
I think people who need to work 3 jobs to get even every month should have been educated in an earlier state of their lifes.
But you're not listening to me! Education won't change a thing if theres not enough well paid jobs to go around and there aren't!
Excuse me, but what is wrong with making your own job? create one! Be your own boss!
Blue_Nose @ Fri May 11, 2007 10:07 am
OPP OPP:
To progress from inequality to equality?
I believe in equal opportunity, not equal handouts. Removing the benefit of success will remove the desire to better ones self.
OPP @ Fri May 11, 2007 10:08 am
Brenda Brenda:
OPP OPP:
Brenda Brenda:
OPP OPP:
Brenda Brenda:
And why does that make someone "poor"?
Just don't spend more than you earn...
Just don't spend more than you earn...
There are many places in the world where the minimum wage they are paid just don't make the bill. They can't pay the rent and are forced to work two, thre jobs and it's still not enough. That is poverty.
Yep, I know... And that is very sad, but i am not willing to take the blame for that, nor am I willing to pay for it.
We live in the West here, and I am very willing to share, but there are limits. We have 52% taxes for the most wealthy people. And a savings tax of 29%. And road taxes. I think I pay my share.
I think people who need to work 3 jobs to get even every month should have been educated in an earlier state of their lifes.
But you're not listening to me! Education won't change a thing if theres not enough well paid jobs to go around and there aren't!
Excuse me, but what is wrong with making your own job? create one! Be your own boss!
You're not being realistic Brenda... I have to split, but keep this baby warm.
Brenda @ Fri May 11, 2007 10:08 am
bootlegga bootlegga:
Well, in all fairness Brenda, working harder helps, but it doesn't help everyone. People can work 60 hours a week or more here in Alberta and still not manage to make ends meet. I work 40 hours a week and I'm looking for a P/T job right now to help with expenses.
Why? Housing prices have skyrocketed (both to own and to rent) for one thing. While jumps from $600 to $1000 monthly rent are the exception, it has become commonplace for rents to jump up to 20-30%. And to buy, it is even worse. A duplex last year that was $180,000 new is now selling for $350,000! That takes a bite out of anyone's income, no matter if you are working a service industry job or college educated.
While I agree that households with two well-educated people are one of the reasons for the rise in the gap between rich and poor, housing is another. Most people living below or near the poverty line don't own the property they live in, while the well-educated usually do.
Why? Housing prices have skyrocketed (both to own and to rent) for one thing. While jumps from $600 to $1000 monthly rent are the exception, it has become commonplace for rents to jump up to 20-30%. And to buy, it is even worse. A duplex last year that was $180,000 new is now selling for $350,000! That takes a bite out of anyone's income, no matter if you are working a service industry job or college educated.
While I agree that households with two well-educated people are one of the reasons for the rise in the gap between rich and poor, housing is another. Most people living below or near the poverty line don't own the property they live in, while the well-educated usually do.
I know, Boot, but will a raise of taxes help you with paying your rent? If you make 75.000 $, in 3 jobs, and they raise taxes, you'll still have a problem paying your 2000$ rent.
Brenda @ Fri May 11, 2007 10:10 am
OPP OPP:
Brenda Brenda:
OPP OPP:
Brenda Brenda:
OPP OPP:
Brenda Brenda:
And why does that make someone "poor"?
Just don't spend more than you earn...
Just don't spend more than you earn...
There are many places in the world where the minimum wage they are paid just don't make the bill. They can't pay the rent and are forced to work two, thre jobs and it's still not enough. That is poverty.
Yep, I know... And that is very sad, but i am not willing to take the blame for that, nor am I willing to pay for it.
We live in the West here, and I am very willing to share, but there are limits. We have 52% taxes for the most wealthy people. And a savings tax of 29%. And road taxes. I think I pay my share.
I think people who need to work 3 jobs to get even every month should have been educated in an earlier state of their lifes.
But you're not listening to me! Education won't change a thing if theres not enough well paid jobs to go around and there aren't!
Excuse me, but what is wrong with making your own job? create one! Be your own boss!
You're not being realistic Brenda... I have to split, but keep this baby warm.
Why am I not realistic? We HAVE our own company, we created our own jobs... How more realistic do you want it?