Canadian flag 'exclusionary' to some university students
Lemmy @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:18 pm
lily lily:
THe previous flag was also red. Moreso, in fact
Tman1 @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:20 pm
You don't like the flag because it's 'liberal'? You want the Union Jack instead? Has the classic red, white and.....blue....hmmm where have I seen those flags before.

Lemmy @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:24 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
You don't like the flag because it's 'liberal'? You want the Union Jack instead? Has the classic red, white and.....blue....hmmm where have I seen those flags before? Ahh yes, countries who need to copy each other.
RUEZ @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:25 pm
Lemmy Lemmy:
commanderkai commanderkai:
Are you saying that non-Liberal party supporters were the one who made this comment?
No, I'm saying that a Liberal government introduced a an all-red flag with a stylized maple leaf that had been used on Liberal signs since the 40s. The flag was poltical in its imagery. I like the flag. It's liked worldwide, I suspect. But it's a LIBERAL flag.
http://www.pch.gc.ca/pgm/ceem-cced/symbl/df3-eng.cfm
Tman1 @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:28 pm
Lemmy Lemmy:
Tman1 Tman1:
You don't like the flag because it's 'liberal'? You want the Union Jack instead? Has the classic red, white and.....blue....hmmm where have I seen those flags before? Ahh yes, countries who need to copy each other.
Are you talking to me? I LOVE THE FLAG! I think it's PERFECT! I think it's the best goddamn flag on the planet! But the Liberal party designed it, approved it and introduced it as much as a symbol of their party as a national symbol. Do I care? No, like I said, it's a BRILLIANT image. But its history is as I've described.
When did the Liberal party adopt the red and white. Was it before or after 1965?
Tman1 @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:29 pm
lily lily:
Tman1 Tman1:
You don't like the flag because it's 'liberal'? You want the Union Jack instead? Has the classic red, white and.....blue....hmmm where have I seen those flags before.
Norway?
Never heard of it.
Tman1 @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:29 pm
Lily beat me to the punch.
Tricks @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:11 pm
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
stokes stokes:
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
I believe the person who sent the letter is a young white Anarchist.
Becuase all they know how to do is Bitch, instead of providing real alternatives.
Thats right,blame the white people, because we are the ones to blame about who does and doesnt get included in Canada.
You really show your age at times!!!!
Oh wait arent you young and white? do you see yourself doing this?
I'm not an Anarchist.
I blame the white person because it's generally the white little teenager retard who complains about, say, a racist joke, or something "unfair", and not the actual group indicated.
Generally, I've seen white people "sticking up" for other races because Young White people feel deep down that other races are incapable of defending themselves.
Because it's whiny white folks that have a tendency to be patronizing to other races.
Do you understand what I was saying now, ass?
You have no idea what you're talking about. It's funny.
Yogi @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:03 pm
Lemmy Lemmy:
Chumley Chumley:
That's what our flag represents in the first place, inclusion.
The leaf was meant to represent the tree from which we all come from,
the points on the leaf represent the different cultures in Canada,
and the red rerpresented the blood that all humanity shares.
I think you may be right, in that our flag has COME to represent those things. But make no mistake about it: our flag was designed and introduced by the Liberal party as a symbol of that party. It's roots are purely poltical.
Don't jump into the ring if you can't back your play. Otherwise it is just
more inane ramblings from within your cavernous mind!The Canadian Flag
(Featured 2001)
Canada's longest battle was waged in parliament over the introduction of a uniquely Canadian symbol.....the flag.
That is not to assume that a distinctly Canadian flag wasn't considered before the maple leaf version was adopted.....the current design was actually discussed as early as 1919.
Up until, 1945, the only "official" flag that Canada flew was the Union Jack. The Red Ensign was flown for Canada, at sea and at posts throughout the world, and in 1945 (with the addition of Royal Arms) it was established as the "temporary" Canadian flag, until a replacement was found. They did not realize it would be another 20 years before that would happen.
When William Lyon Mackenzie King suggested that Canada consider researching and adopting its own flag, he fell under much criticism. In short, many people felt they had fought in WWI under a waving Union Jack and that it would be disrespectful to replace it.
The flag issue was dropped until WWII when King insisted Canadian Forces be acknowledged for their part in the war rather than as a part of Britain's effort. The Canadian Army, not having a distinctive flag for themselves started to use the Red Ensign with the shield of the Coat of Arms of Canada in January 1944. The Royal Canadian Air Force followed soon after.
King decided to try to bring the issue of a distinctly Canadian flag to the forefront of debate in parliament. The response was the same as the first time. King was burned and his popularity in office was damaged.
Again the issue went unresolved.
Lester B. Pearson was the next Prime Minister to start flag waving, and proposed his own design in 1964.
Diefenbaker heartily opposed him. Subsequently, a committee was established to determine the best design. It was September 1964 and they were given 6 weeks to conclude. By a process of elimination the current Canadian flag came out on top. It was officially inaugurated on February 15, 1965.
Pearson faced the same intensity of battle and the same criticisms as King had faced years previously. The battle was just as ferocious and political, but at the end Canada had a new National Flag.
Trivia Eh?
The Flag of the United States was adopted in 1777. The current flag of the United States was inaugurated in 1959.
Since December 18, 1964, the Union Jack is flown in Canada as a symbol of membership in the Commonwealth and allegiance to the Crown.
In August 1943 Roosevelt (USA), Churchill (Britain) and King met in Quebec City for a conference. On the Citadel, the Red Ensign flew below the Union Jack while the US flag flew at an equal height to the Union Jack. From that day, on King's recommendation, the Canadian flag has flown as an equal counterpart to Britain and other nations.
Colours of the Canadian Flag were chosen to represent the following:
Red: to signify the English, loftiness, royalty, assurance & military virtues
White: to signify the French, probity & loyalty.
Canuck Quotes
. . all the rules the ordinary flag owner need pay attention to are few and simple. For him is just one flag that can properly be flown; that is the Union Jack. The Red Ensign, called the Canadian Flag, with the Canadian Coat of Arms in the field is proper only afloat. . . . In hoisting the flag the broad white stripe of the Cross of St. Andrew should be next to the mast-head for if reversed it is an indication of distress. The flag should never be hoisted before sunrise, nor should it continue to fly after sunset.
"Flag Flying" an editorial from the Toronto Mail and Empire of 5 June 1925
"Flags that have been torn in battle with a foreign enemy can still fly with pride. This will surely be the first flag in history that was shred by its sons."
Globe and Mail December 16, 1964
The flag is the symbol of the nation's unity, for it, beyond any doubt, represents all the citizen's of Canada without the distinction of race, language, belief or opinion."
Honourable Maurice Bourget,
Speaker of the Senate
Feb. 15, 1965
Tricks Tricks:
Tricks Tricks:
Oh xxxx off.
Is this your word of the week?
Are you kidding me? Really? This is getting to be ridiculous. I wasn't flaming anyone. I wasn't stirring up shit.
Read what Trev wrote.
$1:
The forums have become a very unfriendly and antagonistic place. It's rare that political issues and ideas are discussed or debated without name calling, personal attacks, slanderous statements or in good faith. In other words, the forums are now not a fun place to talk and share ideas without being called a pedophile or told to "Go Fuck Yourself". This is all going to stop now!
I didn't
fucking do that.
If the mods are going to turn this place into nazi germany, it will be far less fun than if everyone flamed eachother.
Ban away, and prove my point.
Tried to POS rep you for this one, but after the Neg Rep you "BEGGED ME FOR" it won't let me. lol
Lemmy @ Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:52 am
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Choban @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:29 pm
Lots of argument here about where the flag came from and such, DOES IT REALLY MATTER.
It is the Canadian flag regardless of what party brought it in, it should be proudly displayed in all areas possable especially schools, end of argument, end of story.
Get these "exclusionary" asshats out of the clountry if they don't like it, we're "including" you by supporting immigration/multiculturism in the first place.
Tricks @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:08 pm
PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:
Tricks Tricks:
Tricks Tricks:
Oh xxxx off.
Is this your word of the week?
Are you kidding me? Really? This is getting to be ridiculous. I wasn't flaming anyone. I wasn't stirring up shit.
Read what Trev wrote.
$1:
The forums have become a very unfriendly and antagonistic place. It's rare that political issues and ideas are discussed or debated without name calling, personal attacks, slanderous statements or in good faith. In other words, the forums are now not a fun place to talk and share ideas without being called a pedophile or told to "Go Fuck Yourself". This is all going to stop now!
I didn't
fucking do that.
If the mods are going to turn this place into nazi germany, it will be far less fun than if everyone flamed eachother.
Ban away, and prove my point.
Tried to POS rep you for this one, but after the Neg Rep you "BEGGED ME FOR" it won't let me. lol

I suppose it's the thought that counts.