Eliminate the welfare trap
Benoit @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:37 pm
Taxation and welfare systems can jointly contribute to keep people on social insurance. This trap occurs when the net income difference between low-paid work and unemployment benefits is less than work related costs, discouraging movement into work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_trap
Dayseed @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:06 pm
Benoit Benoit:
Taxation and welfare systems can jointly contribute to keep people on social insurance. This trap occurs when the net income difference between low-paid work and unemployment benefits is less than work related costs, discouraging movement into work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_trap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_trap
Anybody interested in this article should also read: http:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_dont_care_about_wikipedia_articles_so_quit_posting_them
Benoit @ Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:08 pm
Dayseed Dayseed:
Benoit Benoit:
Taxation and welfare systems can jointly contribute to keep people on social insurance. This trap occurs when the net income difference between low-paid work and unemployment benefits is less than work related costs, discouraging movement into work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_trap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_trap
Anybody interested in this article should also read: http:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_dont_care_about_wikipedia_articles_so_quit_posting_them
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Benoit @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:44 am
To get rid of the welfare trap, Canadian welfare programs have to get rid of their actual "clawback" or "phase-out" rate which is more than 100 percent if we include monetary and in-kind benefits.
http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/libra ... 598-e.html
Alberta1 @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:59 am
I used to work in Social Security (now Benefits Agency) in the UK and I can assure you that the vast majority of people claiming "sickness benefits" and "invalidity benefits" were able to work, no question. IB was increased the longer you had sick lines from a doctor, hence the reason people claimed that rather than unemployment benefit. Also you should have seen the fraud that went on, unbelievable and the people working while claiming these benefits.
Kind of riles me because I have worked for 30 years and have not had one single penny from either the UK government or the Canadian government.
Benoit @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:05 pm
Alberta1 Alberta1:
I used to work in Social Security (now Benefits Agency) in the UK and I can assure you that the vast majority of people claiming "sickness benefits" and "invalidity benefits" were able to work, no question. IB was increased the longer you had sick lines from a doctor, hence the reason people claimed that rather than unemployment benefit. Also you should have seen the fraud that went on, unbelievable and the people working while claiming these benefits.
Kind of riles me because I have worked for 30 years and have not had one single penny from either the UK government or the Canadian government.
Kind of riles me because I have worked for 30 years and have not had one single penny from either the UK government or the Canadian government.
You were working without understanding your work!
Alberta1 @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:08 pm
Benoit Benoit:
Alberta1 Alberta1:
I used to work in Social Security (now Benefits Agency) in the UK and I can assure you that the vast majority of people claiming "sickness benefits" and "invalidity benefits" were able to work, no question. IB was increased the longer you had sick lines from a doctor, hence the reason people claimed that rather than unemployment benefit. Also you should have seen the fraud that went on, unbelievable and the people working while claiming these benefits.
Kind of riles me because I have worked for 30 years and have not had one single penny from either the UK government or the Canadian government.
Kind of riles me because I have worked for 30 years and have not had one single penny from either the UK government or the Canadian government.
You were working without understanding your work!
I understood it all right. Clarify Benoit...
Benoit @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:15 pm
Alberta1 Alberta1:
Benoit Benoit:
Alberta1 Alberta1:
I used to work in Social Security (now Benefits Agency) in the UK and I can assure you that the vast majority of people claiming "sickness benefits" and "invalidity benefits" were able to work, no question. IB was increased the longer you had sick lines from a doctor, hence the reason people claimed that rather than unemployment benefit. Also you should have seen the fraud that went on, unbelievable and the people working while claiming these benefits.
Kind of riles me because I have worked for 30 years and have not had one single penny from either the UK government or the Canadian government.
Kind of riles me because I have worked for 30 years and have not had one single penny from either the UK government or the Canadian government.
You were working without understanding your work!
I understood it all right. Clarify Benoit...
Working so that every able bodies work is an absurd work.
Alberta1 @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:19 pm
I really don't understand your point, honestly, but I would like to understand what you are meaning. 
Benoit @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:24 pm
Alberta1 Alberta1:
I really don't understand your point, honestly, but I would like to understand what you are meaning.
Here I explain more in details what work is all about:
canadian-politics-f17/quebec-s-economy-vs-best-performers-t63595.html
Pimpbrewski @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:15 pm
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tootsie_Pop
Benoit @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:36 pm
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tootsie_Pop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tootsie_Pop
I'm an expert in eradication of welfare bashing:
http://www.politiquebec.com/forum/viewt ... 18&t=21204
Pimpbrewski @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:03 pm
This guy walks into the local welfare office for his monthly check.
He marches straight up to the counter and says, "Hi. You know, I just HATE coming in here drawing welfare month after month.
I'd really much rather have a job".
The social worker behind the counter says, "Your timing is excellent!
We just got a job opening from a very wealthy old man who wants
a chauffeur-bodyguard for his nymphomaniac daughter.
You'll have to drive her around in his Mercedes Limo, but he'll supply everything,
fuel, all expenses, including all of your clothes.
Because of the long hours, meals will also be provided.
You'll also be expected to escort her on all her overseas holiday trips.
You'll have a fancy, well-furnished, two-bedroom apartment above the garage.
Oh Yes, Your starting salary will be $200,000 a year."
The guy says, "You're bullshitting me!"
The social worker says, "Yeah, well, you started it."
Benoit @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:12 pm
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
This guy walks into the local welfare office for his monthly check.
He marches straight up to the counter and says, "Hi. You know, I just HATE coming in here drawing welfare month after month.
I'd really much rather have a job".
The social worker behind the counter says, "Your timing is excellent!
We just got a job opening from a very wealthy old man who wants
a chauffeur-bodyguard for his nymphomaniac daughter.
You'll have to drive her around in his Mercedes Limo, but he'll supply everything,
fuel, all expenses, including all of your clothes.
Because of the long hours, meals will also be provided.
You'll also be expected to escort her on all her overseas holiday trips.
You'll have a fancy, well-furnished, two-bedroom apartment above the garage.
Oh Yes, Your starting salary will be $200,000 a year."
The guy says, "You're bullshitting me!"
The social worker says, "Yeah, well, you started it."
He marches straight up to the counter and says, "Hi. You know, I just HATE coming in here drawing welfare month after month.
I'd really much rather have a job".
The social worker behind the counter says, "Your timing is excellent!
We just got a job opening from a very wealthy old man who wants
a chauffeur-bodyguard for his nymphomaniac daughter.
You'll have to drive her around in his Mercedes Limo, but he'll supply everything,
fuel, all expenses, including all of your clothes.
Because of the long hours, meals will also be provided.
You'll also be expected to escort her on all her overseas holiday trips.
You'll have a fancy, well-furnished, two-bedroom apartment above the garage.
Oh Yes, Your starting salary will be $200,000 a year."
The guy says, "You're bullshitting me!"
The social worker says, "Yeah, well, you started it."
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romanP @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:58 pm
Alberta1 Alberta1:
I really don't understand your point, honestly, but I would like to understand what you are meaning.
Don't worry, no one does.