Immigration - Quebec not as open as Canada
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Pimpbrewski @ Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:05 pm
It is not so much the matter of immigration itself, but more specifically where these immigrants come from.
JoBec @ Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:01 pm
pimpbrewski pimpbrewski:
It is not so much the matter of immigration itself, but more specifically where these immigrants come from.
Well said . Unfortunately , Quebec has established quotas that must be respected every year. So even if it would probably be better to welcome 50,000 immigrants from Europe , the quotas have to be respected and 10-12,000 people from Marocco,Tunisia,Algeria will immigrate to Quebec this year. Close to 40% of them will be family members from people already here. And on and on every year !! Changing the quotas would make us look like a bunch a racists !
Very sad story !! very sad ending !! The Tremblay's ,the Coté's, the Roy's , the Boucher's and all our ancestors who fought so hard to make Quebec what it's like today !! They wouldn't be proud of us ....Oh No !! I don't think any Mustafa's would have kicked my Grand'pa out of a sugar shack .....
Cry my beloved Quebec !!
Pimpbrewski @ Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:37 pm
JoBec JoBec:
Changing the quotas would make us look like a bunch a racists !
I don't get it. Specific amount. We Quebecers, should at least have a right to ...
Oh goodness, I am almost afraid of speaking out. After all, my ancestry was established here since the 1700's from good 'ol Europe. Now, It doesn't make me any more Canadian then anyone else, but it sure should say something at least.
Anyways, JoBec, surely, you are familiar with Jean Marie Le Pen. I usually do not follow French politics, but I have heard his name throughout.
Benoit @ Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:29 am
JoBec JoBec:
The Tremblay's ,the Coté's, the Roy's , the Boucher's and all our ancestors who fought so hard to make Quebec what it's like today !! They wouldn't be proud of us ....Oh No !! I don't think any Mustafa's would have kicked my Grand'pa out of a sugar shack .....
Cry my beloved Quebec !!
Cry my beloved Quebec !!
Fighting hard to stay selfish and closed minded is not a valid sacrifice.
CommanderSock @ Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:41 am
From what I get in this thread it goes something like this:
1)We Quebecers do not like people of other skin color, fuck them, we can't stand them, we do not wish to hire them because we don't want to see them at work, at the same time, we don't want them to go on welfare, they should leave.
2) Oh LePenn, the man who hates Algerians because they fought for their freedom from France, France which tried to "populate" Algeria with French people and call in New France. Hmmm......interesting look on things Pimpbruski
Benoit @ Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:31 pm
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
From what I get in this thread it goes something like this:
1)We Quebecers do not like people of other skin color, fuck them, we can't stand them, we do not wish to hire them because we don't want to see them at work, at the same time, we don't want them to go on welfare, they should leave.
1)We Quebecers do not like people of other skin color, fuck them, we can't stand them, we do not wish to hire them because we don't want to see them at work, at the same time, we don't want them to go on welfare, they should leave.
Not at all. This thread goes my way.
Pimpbrewski @ Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:56 pm
Well, of course, Quebecers, or Canadians for that matter, have a right to have at least a say. And that certainly does not mean that anyone is using any prejudice here.
This entire debate started with ''Reasonable Accomodations''. Now, let's see here. The kirpan in schools issue. Sikhs wearing turbans (so they don't have to wear hard hats and helmets) eventhough, regular Canadians are obligated to do so. Banning the Christmas tree. Muslims demanding that their needs be met, eventhough it goes against the local traditions. A Quebecer being kicked out for bringing a ham sandwich at a hospital. So on...
I do not want to start an argument here, but surely, a reasonable person can see where this is going, right !
So, in turn, many Quebecers are fed up, plus nobody here has to ''give in'' to every immigrant's demand simply because they ask for it. You don't see many Westerners go to the Middle East and impose on their own set of values. This has been suggested many times, but new immigrants should learn to adapt to their new country. This in itself is not bigotry, it is simply common sense.
Benoit @ Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:24 pm
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
So, in turn, many Quebecers are fed up, plus nobody here has to ''give in'' to every immigrant's demand simply because they ask for it. You don't see many Westerners go to the Middle East and impose on their own set of values. This has been suggested many times, but new immigrants should learn to adapt to their new country. This in itself is not bigotry, it is simply common sense.
Canada has a Charter of rights that is very individualistic and very formalistic. Immigrants have the same difficulties than citizens by birth to adapt to it because we are all social and concrete humans beings.
CommanderSock @ Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:40 pm
$1:
Well, of course, Quebecers, or Canadians for that matter, have a right to have at least a say. And that certainly does not mean that anyone is using any prejudice here.
This entire debate started with ''Reasonable Accomodations''. Now, let's see here. The kirpan in schools issue. Sikhs wearing turbans (so they don't have to wear hard hats and helmets) eventhough, regular Canadians are obligated to do so. Banning the Christmas tree. Muslims demanding that their needs be met, eventhough it goes against the local traditions. A Quebecer being kicked out for bringing a ham sandwich at a hospital. So on...
I do not want to start an argument here, but surely, a reasonable person can see where this is going, right !
So, in turn, many Quebecers are fed up, plus nobody here has to ''give in'' to every immigrant's demand simply because they ask for it. You don't see many Westerners go to the Middle East and impose on their own set of values. This has been suggested many times, but new immigrants should learn to adapt to their new country. This in itself is not bigotry, it is simply common sense.
This entire debate started with ''Reasonable Accomodations''. Now, let's see here. The kirpan in schools issue. Sikhs wearing turbans (so they don't have to wear hard hats and helmets) eventhough, regular Canadians are obligated to do so. Banning the Christmas tree. Muslims demanding that their needs be met, eventhough it goes against the local traditions. A Quebecer being kicked out for bringing a ham sandwich at a hospital. So on...
I do not want to start an argument here, but surely, a reasonable person can see where this is going, right !
So, in turn, many Quebecers are fed up, plus nobody here has to ''give in'' to every immigrant's demand simply because they ask for it. You don't see many Westerners go to the Middle East and impose on their own set of values. This has been suggested many times, but new immigrants should learn to adapt to their new country. This in itself is not bigotry, it is simply common sense.
You don't have to accommodate unreasonable demands. They (religious groups who are not Christian) will not ask for anything unreasonable should the lines be drawn clearly. The problem is in Canada they are not. And on that matter even the USA has stopped saying "Christmas" and replaced it with "Holiday Season" to accommodate certain groups.
Benoit @ Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:56 pm
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
You don't have to accommodate unreasonable demands. They (religious groups who are not Christian) will not ask for anything unreasonable should the lines be drawn clearly. The problem is in Canada they are not. And on that matter even the USA has stopped saying "Christmas" and replaced it with "Holiday Season" to accommodate certain groups.
Religions do not recognized lines that humans are drawing without the help to their own god.
CommanderSock @ Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:10 pm
$1:
Religions do not recognized lines that humans are drawing without the help to their own god.
It's true. However religion doesn't always dictate the problem. Blacks in America had the toughest time integrating into mainstream society and they're as christian as their white and Latino counterparts. The problem is that French are as a people generally more self centred. Self centred mentality in a cultural form means that they'll over accomodate their own, and do the opposite for others. Like it was posted before, they're less likely to even want to work with people from other cultures. Which means they won't hire them, but then they bitch they go on welfare. Its a catch 22.
Amaywrite
Benoit @ Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:13 pm
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
$1:
Religions do not recognized lines that humans are drawing without the help to their own god.
It's true. However religion doesn't always dictate the problem. Blacks in America had the toughest time integrating into mainstream society and they're as christian as their white and Latino counterparts. The problem is that French are as a people generally more self centred. Self centred mentality in a cultural form means that they'll over accomodate their own, and do the opposite for others. Like it was posted before, they're less likely to even want to work with people from other cultures. Which means they won't hire them, but then they bitch they go on welfare. Its a catch 22.
Amaywrite
French are mostly Catholics; English mostly Protestants. The more self-centered of these two groups is the Protestants. Salvation is an individual matter for Protestants; it is a universal matter for Catholics.
Tman1 @ Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:35 pm
Durandal Durandal:
Point ? If you go on the French section and speak English, there are big chances that you get replies in French.
Well no shit sherlock... Look below for more clues....
$1:
You supposed that you would get blasted for writing in English, and you were wrong. Realising that, you twist the dabate, saying "weeell, they need to".
Umm no, I didn't suppose anything. I was quoting Joe Stalins statement that he was bashed for speaking English in the French section,
$1:
Oi Benny.
Didn't you reprimand me for posting in English on the French section?
hence my original statement of the arrogance of some on here because of a "lack of education" on a primarily English website....but hey, tell me again how I was wrong and twisting this debate which you initiated by my quote.
Didn't you reprimand me for posting in English on the French section?
Like I said, I don't need to speak French on an English website nor a minority language be it official or not. Anything else?
Tman1 @ Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:47 pm
Durandal Durandal:
JoBec JoBec:
Quebec created its own problem by pushing away English speaking Quebecers and now need to replace them by Mustafa's and Baptiste-Alfred's ... how sad !
We don't need anglos, and we don't need any Mustafa's from the vanished French Empire.
English-Quebecers are Quebecois, just like you whether you like it or not and they are a part of your history as well as this country's. Don't like it? Tough. Learn history and be less of a bigot.
Why these immigrants would want to immigrate to Quebec I don't know but to each his/her own.
Benoit @ Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:57 am
Tman1 Tman1:
Why these immigrants would want to immigrate to Quebec I don't know but to each his/her own.
How about living in a world where every adults can freely move in any country they want but where very few are doing it permanently because they are happy to live where they happen to be born!
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