POLL: Should Canada return to Imperial Measurements.
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
The Imperial farenheit scale gives the illusion that temperatures are warmer than they are if they were measured in the Metric celsius.
That's the stupidest thing anyone has said in this thread. I suppose millimeters are better than inches because they make things seem bigger, right?
It wouldn't really work for length.
Most people would prefer to have warmer weather than colder weather - so farenheit is superior to celsius. Imperial farenheit fits along the scale perfectly - zero ic cold, 40-50 is average temperature, and 80-90 is boiling hot. But for length it isn't the case that most people prefer big things to small things.
Whereas the French Napoleonic system (the French can't get much right) has the STUPID system that 50 celsius is the TOP end of the scale, for warmer weather, and zero is round about AVERAGE.
The reason why the same won't apply to length is because most people prefer to have warmer weather than colder weather, and the farenheir scale uses big numbers for high temperatures whereas the bizaare celsius one uses small numbers for high temperatures, so farenheit gives the impression that the weather is warmer.
For example, if you were an overweight person you would probably prefer to measure your waist size in inches rather than millimetres to make it look as though your waist is SMALLER. Not everythign that is bigger in size is better.
Brenda @ Sun May 27, 2007 10:26 am
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
The Imperial farenheit scale gives the illusion that temperatures are warmer than they are if they were measured in the Metric celsius.
That's the stupidest thing anyone has said in this thread. I suppose millimeters are better than inches because they make things seem bigger, right?
It wouldn't really work for length.
Most people would prefer to have warmer weather than colder weather - so farenheit is superior to celsius. But for length it isn't the case that most people prefer big things to small things.
For example, if you were an overweight person you would probably prefer to emasure your waist size in inches rather than millimetres to make it look as though your waist is SMALLER.
Yeah, but your weight in kilo's, instead of lbs
Brenda Brenda:
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
The Imperial farenheit scale gives the illusion that temperatures are warmer than they are if they were measured in the Metric celsius.
That's the stupidest thing anyone has said in this thread. I suppose millimeters are better than inches because they make things seem bigger, right?
It wouldn't really work for length.
Most people would prefer to have warmer weather than colder weather - so farenheit is superior to celsius. But for length it isn't the case that most people prefer big things to small things.
For example, if you were an overweight person you would probably prefer to emasure your waist size in inches rather than millimetres to make it look as though your waist is SMALLER.
Yeah, but your weight in kilo's, instead of lbs

My weight is in stones, not kilos or pounds.
I'm around 13 stones.
ziggy @ Sun May 27, 2007 10:30 am
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
Brenda Brenda:
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
The Imperial farenheit scale gives the illusion that temperatures are warmer than they are if they were measured in the Metric celsius.
That's the stupidest thing anyone has said in this thread. I suppose millimeters are better than inches because they make things seem bigger, right?
It wouldn't really work for length.
Most people would prefer to have warmer weather than colder weather - so farenheit is superior to celsius. But for length it isn't the case that most people prefer big things to small things.
For example, if you were an overweight person you would probably prefer to emasure your waist size in inches rather than millimetres to make it look as though your waist is SMALLER.
Yeah, but your weight in kilo's, instead of lbs

My weight is in stones, not kilos or pounds.
I'm around 13 stones.

Still in the "stone" age then?
Canadarc Canadarc:
tritium tritium:
QBC QBC:
Oh no your not!!!!!
Took me 20 years to get this metric crap down pat, I'm not going to re-learn Imperial now......
plus the, the rest of the world is using metric, no point in going backward
Yeah, Canada just went Metric, but I never bothered to learn. I bailed on Canada and moved to the USA.
I just can't figure this shit out and always think in Imperial.
Somebody says -15 - it's like o.k. it has no reference point with me, it's just a number.
You say 14F yeah it's cold. 75F, great room temp. 90F I am off to the beach.
This metric shit is just stupid to me.
I'm sorry to quote this "old post" but it's so easy: Zero degrees Celcius at sea level, water freezes. Hundred degrees Celcius at sea level, water boils.
I agree with celsius's bizaare measurements.
Metris is too scientific. It has based itself, sor some unexplainable reason, on the boiling point of water! Someone decided that when water boils that'll be 100 celsius, and when it freezes that'll be zero celsius.
So it's perfect if you are some scientist who needs to measure the temperature of water, but what about the ordinary guy, the ordinary person who wants to meausre the temperature if he wants to go to the beach? In that case, the celsius is just crazy.
In Imperial farenheit, as I've said many times, it's perfect to measure weather temperature. 15F is cold, 40 is around average, and 90F is boiling hot.
As usual, Imperial takes its measurement for simple, natural things that everyone understands (in this case basing Farenheit on whether it feels warm or cold outside) whereas Metric bases its measurements on complicated scientific jargon that only scientists originally understand, such as basing Celsius on the boiling point of water, which therefore really only works to measure water temperature but becomes lopsided when measuring the temperature of the weather outdoors)
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
It wouldn't really work for length.
It was rhetorical - that higher numbers trick you into thinking it's warmer is pretty dumb.
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
Metric bases its measurements on complicated scientific jargon that only scientists originally understand, such as basing Celsius on the boiling point of water, which therefore really only works to measure water temperature but becomes lopsided when measuring the temperature of the weather outdoors)
It works perfectly to measure outside temperature - below zero and your plants are going to freeze and you need a heavy jacket, above zero the plants are ok and you can wear a lighter jacket.
The fact that you're an idiot who thinks boiling water is "complicated scientific jargon" doesn't support your cause, nor does the method of standardization limit the use of the units.
Tricks @ Sun May 27, 2007 10:44 am
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
In Imperial farenheit, as I've said many times, it's perfect to measure weather temperature. 15F is cold, 40 is around average, and 90F is boiling hot.
Do you even know how to convert it? Because those are way off. If you convert that to celcius, 15F would be approxminately - 8.5 (Give or take 1 degree) So if the water was that, it would be frozen. 40 would be about 4 or 5 . And 90 would be about 30. So basically, learn how to do math.
Tricks @ Sun May 27, 2007 10:45 am
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
The fact that you're an idiot who thinks boiling water is "complicated scientific jargon" doesn't support your cause, nor does the method of standardization limit the use of the units.
Agreed. I suck ass at science (Check the science puzzle thread

) and it makes sense to me.
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
NO!
I find Metric easier and better, plus, It's the US who should change to Metric.
They are one of the only countries still using it, that's why people call it "the US System".
Maybe America should Modernize, instead of causing issues that force it's traders to switch to their system?
Plus, I liek going up by 10, not 12.
Again, using 12s is better than using 10s.
For a start, 12 is divisible by more numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 and 12.
Whereas 10 is only divisible by 1, 2, 5 and 10.
Using the above argument then it's not too hard to see why the French pack their wine bottles in boxes of 12 rather than 10.
Because it's more efficient that way, if you think about it.
Packing wine in boxes of 12 means that each box can be easily divided if someone wanted a third of those bottles or a half.
Packed in boxes of 10 then how would you obtain a third of the wine? You could get a half - 5 - but not a third.
Everything going up by 12 means it's more fraction-friendly than going up in 10s.
As it says here in an article about the use of Metric measurements in Canada:
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The Base 10 Myth
The fact that metric units are base ten in fact has virtually no relevance either to day-to-day life or to scientific and engineering manipulation. This is because conversion between units of the same dimension (e.g. centimetres to kilometres) is rarely necessary or useful. Just consider practical experience. If you are working in a unit, say miles or kilometres, you stay with that unit. So if a distance is 121.5 miles you do not also think that it is 213,400 yards any more than you think that 121.25 kilometres is also 121,250 m. Also, if you must travel 294 miles from one town to another and then 35 miles onwards to a third town, the fact that the metric system uses base 10 for inter-unit conversions does not make the calculation 294 miles +35 miles=329 miles any easier than if it had been 294 kilometres + 35 kilometres = 329 kilometres. Even so, ironically enough, if you want to convert between units, we today can do it much more easily than our ancestors because of technology. If Canadian measurements are so complicated how did our parents and grandparents and their ancestors survive when they did not even have calculators? Now, we have far more powerful technical mathematical tools than previous generations had - calculators, computers etc. Interestingly, none of these machines use base 10. Without getting too technical, the reason that these tools are non-decimal is because base 10 is a poor system of calculation. This is because it can be divided by relative few other numbers - 1, 2, 5 and 10 - without giving a fractional/decimal result. Half of ten is 5. Beyond that it gets messy. Half of 5 is 2.5. Half of 2,5 is 1.25 and so on. 12 is better. It can be divided neatly by 1,2,3,4,6 and 12. And dividing by 2 gives us 6 and then 3. 16, found in our weight and volume units, is even better - prime factors 1,2,4,8 and 16 and dividing by 2 gives us 8, 4, 2, 1 etc. This is the binary system used by computers!
Here are some other good points:
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Accuracy
Where a metric unit exists along with a standard Canadian equivalent, neither one nor the other is more accurate. In 1959, all countries using traditional units such as inches, feet, miles etc. decided that an inch would be defined as 25.4 mm exactly (or 1 cm = 1/2.54 inch). Other traditional units were similar defined (1 pound = 453.59237 g - or 1 kg = 1/0.45359237 pounds exactly). This means that Canadian units are as standardized and as accurate as any metric unit. As for evidence of this, consider the fact that man was put on the Moon, a task requiring almost unimaginable accuracy and precision, using customary units. If you think that that is out of date ... the Space Shuttle Program runs with customary units as does every Boeing coming off the assembly line today. Too American? Ok, as does every Bombardier aircraft coming off the assembly line today.
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Decimals and Fractions
Metricators will sometimes say that decimals are more accurate than fractions. There are a couple of responses to this. One is "So?". If instead of saying half an inch someone wants to say 0.5 inches, fine, let them. Or if someone wants to write a figure down as 0.341 ounces. Decimals and fractions are not mutually exclusive, they are both useful and available for use. There are cases where one is better than the other. If something is 0.197 inches long, many may prefer to write 0.197 than 197/1000. Conversely, many may prefer to write (or say) 1/3 (one third) of an inch (or centimetre!) than 0.3333333... (zero point three three three three repeated). The use of both fractions and decimals is appropriate to either system. Except for two facts... Given the base ten myth (see above paragraph) the metric system does not enjoy some magical advantage when compared to the Canadian system. The Canadian system is decimal friendly. On the other hand, the fact that 12 and 16 can be more easily divided into convenient fractions does mean that the Canadian system is more fraction friendly than the metric system.
This points to advantages of manipulation in many Canadian units since when we work with amounts we often manipulate in terms of halves, quarters and even thirds. To be sure of being objective, think of situations free of Canadian or metric units. Sharing out a cake. Dividing up a document so that it fits on a diskette. Folding a piece of paper. More often than not divisions with which we are comfortable, halves, thirds, quarters come into play. Divisions out of which our customary system of measurement has grown. Half a foot is 6 inches, a quarter is 3 inches a third is 4 inches. Half a metre is 50 centimetres, a quarter is 25 centimetres and a third is 33.3333.... centimetres. Take your pick.
There is a simple piece of empirical evidence that points to the fact that the entire world can handle units that are not in base ten ... Time. Nowhere are there 100 seconds in a minute, 100 minutes in an hour and 10 hours in a day etc. And yet the world manages to tell time and to calculate time-related problems.
Temperature is a particularly interesting case. This is because we do not convert between different scales of units of temperature (i.e. we do not speak in millidegrees of Petadegrees etc.). Thus, base ten enters the Centigrade/Celsius system only in that there are 10 times 10 degrees between the freezing and boiling point of water. This is an utterly arbitrary way of fixing the size of a degree. In fact, under SI, water freezes at 273.16 K Furthermore, since the size of a degree Fahrenheit is smaller that that of a degree Centigrade, when describing the temperature around us Fahrenheit is more accurate!
In fact, Imperial measures are probably MORE widespread, or just as widespread, in Canada than Metric.
Here's the beginning of a letter written by a Canadian:
REPLY FROM SAM MALIN
Dear xxxxxxx,
You letter to BWMA was forwarded to me, a fellow Canadian.
You obviously live in a different Canada from me, or, perhaps more accurately you see the world, or at least Canada, through metric-tinted glasses.
Let's walk together from my apartment on Burdett Avenue in Victoria. As we leave the drive we pass the 5 mph sign on the left we turn left - ah there is the entrance to the law courts parking lot Max Height 6'7" (1.98m) is marked. I offer you a coke "on tap" at the Macs - is that 8oz 12oz or 16oz.
Shall we drop into Safeway - you show me lots of metric packaging (often with exact equivalents of Canadian units e.g. 568 ml, 454 g etc). But then I draw your attention to the Lucerne butter in a plastic container labelled 1 lb. And I drag a reluctant you to the loose fruits and vegetables where, like everywhere else in Canada they are priced sold in pounds and ounces (with kg and g sometimes indicated).
You are pretty upset and say lets take the ferry to Vancouver to get away from these "imperial" (more on "imperial" later) units. Again with apparent shock, you notice that the distances to the ferry terminal and intermediate towns like Sidney are given in miles as well as km. When we arrive at the terminal, the boards giving the fares state that vehicles over 20 feet (no metric equivalent given) long. We arrive in Tsawassen, on the Vancouver side, driving to Vancouver we pass some small farms for sale - 25 acres, 45 acres no hectares. On arrival in Vancouver there are some large notices placed by the city by the roadside concerning re-zoning. All dimensions are in feet only. Similarly, signs up for office space and apartments are in square feet ... only. We cross Vancouver to take the Skyride up Grouse Mountain. The (new) information board at the bottom states that the vertical climb is 4500 feet (and only in feet).
Let's go to Alberta shall we? No you say - you have already seen the dual unit height signs on bridges there.
We then talk about other matters and in passing you ask me my height (I am tall) "six six" I say. You then state your height in feet and inches. I don't rub it in - for virtually all Canadians of all ages give their heights in feet and inches and their weights in pounds.
To read the rest, go here:
http://www.bwmaonline.com/Imperial%20Origins.htm
Tricks @ Sun May 27, 2007 10:49 am
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
NO!
I find Metric easier and better, plus, It's the US who should change to Metric.
They are one of the only countries still using it, that's why people call it "the US System".
Maybe America should Modernize, instead of causing issues that force it's traders to switch to their system?
Plus, I liek going up by 10, not 12.
Again, using 12s is better than using 10.
For a start, 12 is divisible by more numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 and 12.
Whereas 10 is only divisible by 1, 2, 5 and 10.
And if 10 is "superior" to 12 then can you explain why the French pack their wine bottles in boxes of 12 rather than 10?
Because it's more efficient that way, if you think about it.
Volume consumption has nothing to do with which measurements we should use. Both are easy, but 10 is by far easier then people who aren't very talented at math. How hard is it to remember 10 millimetre to a centimetre, 100 to a metre, 1000 to a kilometre? For fucks sake people in grade 2 can do that!
For Imperial isn't it 12 inches to a foot, 3 feet to a yard, and 1760 yards in a mile. Oh yeah, that's a lot easier to remember.
Tricks @ Sun May 27, 2007 10:56 am
Tricks Tricks:
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
In Imperial farenheit, as I've said many times, it's perfect to measure weather temperature. 15F is cold, 40 is around average, and 90F is boiling hot.
Do you even know how to convert it? Because those are way off. If you convert that to celcius, 15F would be approxminately - 8.5 (Give or take 1 degree) So if the water was that, it would be frozen. 40 would be about 4 or 5 . And 90 would be about 30. So basically, learn how to do math.
Oh shit! You were talking about the air! ok discard this post. (And you're temps still suck. 4-5 is not average and 30 is not boiling hot.)
10 Fingers. 10 toes.
Tricks Tricks:
GreatBriton GreatBriton:
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
NO!
I find Metric easier and better, plus, It's the US who should change to Metric.
They are one of the only countries still using it, that's why people call it "the US System".
Maybe America should Modernize, instead of causing issues that force it's traders to switch to their system?
Plus, I liek going up by 10, not 12.
Again, using 12s is better than using 10.
For a start, 12 is divisible by more numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 and 12.
Whereas 10 is only divisible by 1, 2, 5 and 10.
And if 10 is "superior" to 12 then can you explain why the French pack their wine bottles in boxes of 12 rather than 10? It's also for these reasons that so very few computers in the world today use base 10.
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Volume consumption has nothing to do with which measurements we should use. Both are easy, but 10 is by far easier then people who aren't very talented at math. How hard is it to remember 10 millimetre to a centimetre, 100 to a metre, 1000 to a kilometre? For fucks sake people in grade 2 can do that!
For Imperial isn't it 12 inches to a foot, 3 feet to a yard, and 1760 yards in a mile. Oh yeah, that's a lot easier to remember.
Like I said above, why do you think the French wine industry packs bottles into boxes of 12 rather than boxes of 10?
Because boxes of 12 are able to divide into more equal divisions than boxes of 10.
How do you divide a box of 10 bottles of wine into three equal parts, each containing an equal number of bottles and without leaving any bottles out? You can do it, though, with 12 bottles.
How do you divide 10 bottles into 4 equal parts? You can't. But you can with 12 bottles.
Therefore it makes sense that divisions of 12 are superior than divisions of 10. It's for these reasons that most computers today don't use base 10.
Imperial also uses divisions of 16 which is even BETTER.
As it says above:
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Now, we have far more powerful technical mathematical tools than previous generations had - calculators, computers etc. Interestingly, none of these machines use base 10. Without getting too technical, the reason that these tools are non-decimal is because base 10 is a poor system of calculation. This is because it can be divided by relative few other numbers - 1, 2, 5 and 10 - without giving a fractional/decimal result. Half of ten is 5. Beyond that it gets messy. Half of 5 is 2.5. Half of 2,5 is 1.25 and so on. 12 is better. It can be divided neatly by 1,2,3,4,6 and 12. And dividing by 2 gives us 6 and then 3. 16, found in our weight and volume units, is even better - prime factors 1,2,4,8 and 16 and dividing by 2 gives us 8, 4, 2, 1 etc. This is the binary system used by computers!
Yeah, units of 10 are soooo superior!!
And before you bang on too much about how measuring everything into units of 10, 100 and 1000 is easier than divided things into 12s or whatever then remember that TIME is divided into Imperial-like measures:
60 secs = 1 min
60 mins = 1 hour
24 hours = 1 day
14 days = 1 week
52 weeks = 1 year
Time isn't divided into 10s, 100s and 1000s but it's still VERY easy to understand ts divisions.
Tricks @ Sun May 27, 2007 11:02 am
LightStarr LightStarr:
10 Fingers. 10 toes.
ROTFL
Tricks Tricks:
LightStarr LightStarr:
10 Fingers. 10 toes.
ROTFL
When you pro-Metric people are losing the argument the only thing you can do is add silly laughing smilies.