Race based hiring
Brenda @ Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:03 pm
Well, there you have your point... According to the people that call the neglect of rights of other peoples, the constitution is not fair...
Why is the Citizenship so valuable anyway, Benoit? (and I seriously like to know your extended thoughts about this...)
PJB @ Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:04 pm
Benoit...Please tell me who's fundamental rights include a job? Show me anywhere in any document that one group has a better 'right' to make something of themselves over anyone else.
I have traveled to many reserves and I have not seen any 15 foot walls or electrified fences prohibiting the natives from leaving and making something out of themselves. We have countless programs that are geared directly towards First Nations allowing them to get an education and a productive job. It seems that their inherent feeling of entitlement makes them better than us. Jobs don't go to people! The people have to go to the jobs and no dollar amount can change that.
Biblical_Christian Biblical_Christian:
kenmore kenmore:
"We were at this land way before you, so just be happy with, that you are here."..........
dont you think its time to give up this crap? you guys have benefitted more than lost in this Canadian deal...the canadian tax payer.. the gift that keeps on giving...
I am really curios, tell me, what do you think we the indians brought to the table? what do you ride on? walk on? Gold, silver, gravel, dirt, all came from this land that we brought to the table. you guys came from a boat, ok? There was more signatorys on the treatys than there is indian signatorys, its so easy to go alziemers, "duh, what signatorys?" why sign? when you are not going honor, ur signature? You guys are the ones that brought the signing honor system, indians never had that, just a handshakes. That was all that was needed. people were good to thier word, something you will never have.
the things I walk on drive on were built by the evolution of industry and progression through time.. all made by the white man as you call them.. if it wasnt the white europeans who came here and developed the country it would have been someone else.. do you think that your people would have developed Canada to the current status of one of the most envied country to live it the world? doubt it.. we came from a boat because it was the mode of transortation of the era.. and for the time period the best built ships... which by the way would out do a canoe any time.. the industrial knowhow of the whiteman allowed for the discovery and mining of the natural resources.. and so on and so on.. so I ask you where would you be if the french and english didnt come... probably living like the lost tribe in Brasil... so i think its time to put an end to the poor me syndrome..get an education, get a job and become active participants in Canadian Society.. you have been recognized as a nation and rightly so,, as Quebec has and its people are contributing....time to move forward over 400 yrs..
Benoit @ Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:45 am
PJB PJB:
Benoit...Please tell me who's fundamental rights include a job? Show me anywhere in any document that one group has a better 'right' to make something of themselves over anyone else.
I have traveled to many reserves and I have not seen any 15 foot walls or electrified fences prohibiting the natives from leaving and making something out of themselves. We have countless programs that are geared directly towards First Nations allowing them to get an education and a productive job. It seems that their inherent feeling of entitlement makes them better than us. Jobs don't go to people! The people have to go to the jobs and no dollar amount can change that.
Natives will always have a fundamental right not to buy the western concepts of education and work.
PJB @ Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:49 am
Benoit...Sounds like you just said that natives don't have to work if they don't want to. No job = NO MONEY
Benoit @ Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:12 am
PJB PJB:
Benoit...Sounds like you just said that natives don't have to work if they don't want to. No job = NO MONEY
Natives have lived for thousand of years without the western concepts of money and work.
Benoit Benoit:
PJB PJB:
Benoit...Please tell me who's fundamental rights include a job? Show me anywhere in any document that one group has a better 'right' to make something of themselves over anyone else.
I have traveled to many reserves and I have not seen any 15 foot walls or electrified fences prohibiting the natives from leaving and making something out of themselves. We have countless programs that are geared directly towards First Nations allowing them to get an education and a productive job. It seems that their inherent feeling of entitlement makes them better than us. Jobs don't go to people! The people have to go to the jobs and no dollar amount can change that.
Natives will always have a fundamental right not to buy the western concepts of education and work.
There is no basis in law that anyone has a "fundamental right" to not work in this country. That is a choice not governed by the laws of this country.
PJB @ Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:43 pm
Benoit...Fine the natives have survived for a long time without western ideals. Now they want to prosper from those very ideals that you say they don't believe in. Once again the natives want it both ways..Why an I not surprised. They want the right to discriminate against others but scream when they feel that they are discriminated against.
Brenda @ Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:49 pm
Benoit Benoit:
PJB PJB:
Benoit...Sounds like you just said that natives don't have to work if they don't want to. No job = NO MONEY
Natives have lived for thousand of years without the western concepts of money and work.
So have the Romans, Greeks and whatever culture you can think of. I think they had to addept to modern times too, dont you agree?
If they still want to live without the concept of money and work, be my guest. It will be a choice. Fine. But stop complaining about you have no internet, heat, or food from the supermarket. You have to pay for that.
Good luck on your hunt!
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
$1:
Required Qualifications:
• Aboriginal Certificate Program Graduate
• Early Childhood Certificate Program
• Bachelor of Education and Professional Teaching Certificate
• Eligible for Nunavut Teacher Certificate
My wife was perusing one of the teacher recruitment sites and noticed several jobs had this listed. Would it be acceptable to state, in an adverisement, that only whites of European ancestry need apply for this teaching position, since the school is located in a predominantly white area and the students are predominantly white?
Sorry for jumping into this late, and I hope this hasn't been discussed before, but the context in which this is listed suggests to me that it's a requirement that one have graduated from a progam on
how to teach to aboriginal peoples, not that one
be aboriginal. Given that this seems to be for a job in Nunavut, where there are a hell of a lot of Inuit, this seems like a reasonable requirement....
Benoit @ Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:50 pm
An unconditional compensation (called welfare) is due to any people that have lost their option to return to their traditional way of life.
Benoit Benoit:
An unconditional compensation (called welfare) is due to any people that have lost their option to return to their traditional way of life.
IS DUE????? I don't think so. Explain to me why I should work to support someone too lazy to get off their ass to get an education and work themselves. How do you suppose
the first nations people have lost the option to return to their traditional way of life? No one is preventing them from living in a tent , fishing and hunting, growing a garden for food, making clothing from skins. THAT is the traditional way let us not forget. The Indians we speak of here. Did not live in homes, mass market in the fishing industry, shop for food or clothing, go to university, drive cars, own computers and have an internet hook up to whine about how their "tradional" way of living has been taken away from them.
Knoss @ Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:27 pm
Now those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. They -- and let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions, ladies and gentlemen, of equality. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.
Barry Goldwater
I don;t know why this is such an issue...
There are plenty of jobs for anyone who wants to work.
Race based hiring has been going on for 200 years.
It is too bad when good people try to include all creeds of people inthe workplace, they are criticized by the same people who complain about paying for Native people's welfare.
If more Native people get a job because of prograns to hire, train and retain Native people, then less Natives will be on welfare.
Unfortunately that also means the bigots have less to complain about, because more Indians will be working and paying taxes, and their children will have positive roll models to follow into the workplace.
But for the bigots, that doesn;t work too well, because then their children will have no one to feel superior to.
PJB @ Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:47 pm
Donny...I agree with the first part of your post. There are countless programs here in Saskatchewan that are exclusive to First Nations. Yet some people still complain and expect money for nothing.