Should Indian Reservations be Disbanded?
Donny_Brasco @ Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:11 pm
thelaw thelaw:
A british proclamation only applies to British controlled people and land. A British proclamation can not give anything to the people of a land not under British control. All you are doing is playing a game of deception; the government has no authority to give you anything , but have kept your promise alive to get your vote for 100 years and you still have not seen the truth.
When you rely on a British proclamation you acknowledge you loose all sovereignty to the land.
When you rely on a British proclamation you acknowledge you loose all sovereignty to the land.
Again, your ignorance on this issue is overwhelming.
Indian people could not vote until 1960.
Most of the laws that Canada's foundation is built on comes from Briton, hence "The Crown".
The "Royal Proclamation" also contains many other significant statements, not just ones that recognize Indian title to land.
And I'm sure when you say "loose" you mean "lose", but I'm not sure how the statement "if at any Time any of the Said Indians should be inclined to dispose of the said Lands, the same shall be Purchased only for Us, in our Name, at some public Meeting or Assembly of the said Indians," means we lose control of anything.
It seems to reaffirm that this land is ours and you cannot take it without buying it. And if you did not buy it legally then it still belongs to us.
I suggest an Indian studies course, or at least attempt to learn something about a topic before you come make a fool of yourself here.
Furthermore, I would think you might be concerned about the people today whose families are millionaires because they stole land from the Indians and left you and me as taxpayers with the legal bill.
Is it OK for an Indian to walk into a dealership and steal a new car? If not then how come it is OK for a white person to steal land from an Indian...why are you not concerned about these thieves who have cost us taxpayers billions?
Like I said before, we could have been using this land for decades to farm or create our own industries and jobs. Is a justified response "to bad, so sad???”
thelaw @ Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:22 pm
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
thelaw thelaw:
A british proclamation only applies to British controlled people and land. A British proclamation can not give anything to the people of a land not under British control. All you are doing is playing a game of deception; the government has no authority to give you anything , but have kept your promise alive to get your vote for 100 years and you still have not seen the truth.
When you rely on a British proclamation you acknowledge you loose all sovereignty to the land.
When you rely on a British proclamation you acknowledge you loose all sovereignty to the land.
Again, your ignorance on this issue is overwhelming.
Indian people could not vote until 1960.
Most of the laws that Canada's foundation is built on comes from Briton, hence "The Crown".
The "Royal Proclamation" also contains many other significant statements, not just ones that recognize Indian title to land.
And I'm sure when you say "loose" you mean "lose", but I'm not sure how the statement "if at any Time any of the Said Indians should be inclined to dispose of the said Lands, the same shall be Purchased only for Us, in our Name, at some public Meeting or Assembly of the said Indians," means we lose control of anything.
It seems to reaffirm that this land is ours and you cannot take it without buying it. And if you did not buy it legally then it still belongs to us.
I suggest an Indian studies course, or at least attempt to learn something about a topic before you come make a fool of yourself here.
Furthermore, I would think you might be concerned about the people today whose families are millionaires because they stole land from the Indians and left you and me as taxpayers with the legal bill.
Is it OK for an Indian to walk into a dealership and steal a new car? If not then how come it is OK for a white person to steal land from an Indian...why are you not concerned about these thieves who have cost us taxpayers billions?
Like I said before, we could have been using this land for decades to farm or create our own industries and jobs. Is a justified response "to bad, so sad???”
thelaw @ Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:30 pm
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
thelaw thelaw:
A british proclamation only applies to British controlled people and land. A British proclamation can not give anything to the people of a land not under British control. All you are doing is playing a game of deception; the government has no authority to give you anything , but have kept your promise alive to get your vote for 100 years and you still have not seen the truth.
When you rely on a British proclamation you acknowledge you loose all sovereignty to the land.
When you rely on a British proclamation you acknowledge you loose all sovereignty to the land.
Again, your ignorance on this issue is overwhelming.
Indian people could not vote until 1960.
Most of the laws that Canada's foundation is built on comes from Briton, hence "The Crown".
The "Royal Proclamation" also contains many other significant statements, not just ones that recognize Indian title to land.
And I'm sure when you say "loose" you mean "lose", but I'm not sure how the statement "if at any Time any of the Said Indians should be inclined to dispose of the said Lands, the same shall be Purchased only for Us, in our Name, at some public Meeting or Assembly of the said Indians," means we lose control of anything.
It seems to reaffirm that this land is ours and you cannot take it without buying it. And if you did not buy it legally then it still belongs to us.
I suggest an Indian studies course, or at least attempt to learn something about a topic before you come make a fool of yourself here.
Furthermore, I would think you might be concerned about the people today whose families are millionaires because they stole land from the Indians and left you and me as taxpayers with the legal bill.
Is it OK for an Indian to walk into a dealership and steal a new car? If not then how come it is OK for a white person to steal land from an Indian...why are you not concerned about these thieves who have cost us taxpayers billions?
Like I said before, we could have been using this land for decades to farm or create our own industries and jobs. Is a justified response "to bad, so sad???”
Donny_Brasco @ Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:16 pm
thelaw thelaw:
So go to court with your title to the land and sue the person who you claim stole your land not the government; . When the solder got his 5000 acres was that crown land or the land you claim......................?You could of all died if that is what you wanted.
All reserve land is technically Crown land. Therefore it takes an act of government to transfer it to another party. Generally it’s the Indian agent or someone in the government involved in the fraud.
In exchange for these set asides we agreed to "share" the rest of the land with Canada...i.e. under Treaty. If you steal that land from us then technically you are breaking the terms of that treaty.
If it were all as simple as you say they why are we even talking about this? You would think our cases would get tossed out of court. Instead we are getting settlements. Why? Because the government knows it will get its ass kicked in court. Costing all taxpayers even more money.
Take an Indian studies class (and an English class or writing course while you are at it) and quit wasting my time.
grainfedprairieboy @ Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:57 pm
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
If it were all as simple as you say they why are we even talking about this? You would think our cases would get tossed out of court. Instead we are getting settlements. Why? Because the government knows it will get its ass kicked in court. Costing all taxpayers even more money.
Take an Indian studies class (and an English class or writing course while you are at it) and quit wasting my time.
Take an Indian studies class (and an English class or writing course while you are at it) and quit wasting my time.
You sure are childish.
The government is the Court and they are playing us for billions.
philowl @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:38 pm
We, Europeans have been here in numbers for barely 200 years, and in that short time we have stripped the forests,and poisoned the land, water and air. Both plant and animal species are going extinct at an alarming rate. Fishing stocks have collapsed. We are rapidly converting the natural resources into garbage dumps.
The aboriginal people have a communion with the natural world that we have lost, way back in our history. The CBC has shown on TV and reported on radio that four eagles come to the Native powwows, and circle above the ceremony from beginning to end. I have witnessed this myself on numerous occasions. To condemn, or to qualify as a skeptic of Native culture, you must first answer the question: Why do the eagles come?
jCan @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:32 pm
neopundit neopundit:
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
And its not going to be non-aboriginals who decide these days how First nations participate in the world economy. You will see our names on top of office towers and banks and gas stations and all kinds of businesses earning our own way and paying taxes and helping our people escape poverty.
And this time there is not a thing you can do to stop us. Of course some of you will try, because you'd rather see us on welfare then on the board of directors.
And this time there is not a thing you can do to stop us. Of course some of you will try, because you'd rather see us on welfare then on the board of directors.
Bit o' resentment, perhaps?
What makes you think that "non-aboriginals" don't want to see this happen? Unlike you, apparently, I don't care who is creating wealth for the economy, as long as they earn it.
Exactly! I don't care who is making the $$$ for Canada.
But in all honesty, I think the whole system needs to be re-evaluated and see what everyone wants and go from there. If I remember my history, this happened a while back (60's or 70's), though I don't remember if anything positive came from it. My personal opinion is that the government just really doesn't care about the aboriginals and treat them like weak black sheep.
I also remember from a class that the reservation schools were actually supported by Chief's in theory, but the actual goals of Chiefs and government were totally different. So even though a brillant plan might be in place one day, there needs to be constant monitoring. Sorry for the rambling on...
4fuzzyducks @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:46 pm
funniest thing in the world is watching an indian bet his whole life savings in a casino
jCan @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:53 pm
well you have to ask yourself why is he doing that?
This whole situation is just a reflection of canadians and canada.
Also, have you noticed how every British colony is in the same boat we are when it comes to the aboriginees? Austrailia, New Zealand, Africa, Canada, India... etc etc
RUEZ @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:58 pm
4fuzzyducks 4fuzzyducks:
funniest thing in the world is watching an indian bet his whole life savings in a casino
That's not funny, that's sad. It's sad when anyone wastes their money like that.
SprCForr @ Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:00 pm
Africa was a British colony?
Who would be the aboriginies in India?
ShepherdsDog @ Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:00 am
New Zealand seems to be doing fine with its resident Maori. There aren't any British colonies in Africa, and the only place that has a white majority population is where the arabs are the whites. Australia....yeah, it's pretty bad, but India..... ![[huh]](./images/smilies/icon_scratch.gif "huh?"){kind=icon}