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Hello everyone,

Please fill out this very brief survey on "Marijuana Legalization in Canadian Society". This is for my course work and my aim is to get my entire research and thesis published in my city's newspaper!

SURVEY HERE

Thanks for taking your time!

Ryan

   

"Drugs not for me" (Canadian program that was approved in Canada by government not so long time ago). So you hope that everyone will smoke grass or not smoke,?)) Can you imagine the posts here with it

   

Other than the fact this topic has been beaten to death, I wish you luck with your poll and hopefully my input helps you out.

But just for posterities sake here's what I wrote on you're poll.

All you dope smoking VW driving, friends of Jesus keep pushing the line that if we legalize marijuana it'll stop the illegal growers, the gangs and raise tons of tax money.
Well you couldn't be more wrong. Just check around and see how many people willingly pay taxes if they can avoid them? Not alot, well the same thing is going to happen with marijuana. People aren't going to pay taxes on a substance that they got tax free a day before now are they?
So put it in the Liquour stores and just watch it sit there while the cheaper and better quality stuff is still being grown by people working for the gangs and still being sold to dope smoking twits who, despite their bullshit claim that it'll raise tax dollars know in their hearts that it won't.
So the truth of the matter is that you can paint lipstick on a pig but it's still a freakin pig and the same thing applies to marijuana. The only reason it's being championed as a great financial boon to canadian taxpayers is so that it can cover the fact that the pot heads want to be able to legally smoke the stuff, nothing more.

   

"To take money out of the hands of criminal gangs and into the Canadian system" How are you going to do that, just to say, "Hey guys, can you pay for drugs that you sell?"

   

Ooo great rant You forgot one thing. FULL legalization would allow anyone to grow their own to a limit. Let's face it, there are a helluva lot of people that brew their own beer and make their own wine. How many of them are in "business" because they're selling to other people who want to avoid paying taxes on alcohol?
Do you drink at all? If you do, do you purchase it at a licensed operation paying full taxes or do you buy it from your buddy down the block?...so to speak.

The trick is to make it unprofitable enough for the criminal element to remain only on the fringes, if not give it up completely, instead of them having full control of it. And IF the gov't can make money from it whilst still making it unprofitable for the bad guys, all the better.
If you think people would avoid paying taxes on it, just imagine if the gov't allowed cultivation for personal use. Then hardly anyone would be spending any money. Most smokers I know would LOVE to grow their own but are too paranoid about getting pinched, and who can blame them with the ridiculous maximum penalties for as few as 5 plants? Lemmie tell ya, NO one is doing any business with 5 plants. That's so obviously personal smoke it's not even funny.

   

I see so much misinformation and contradictions.

1) If marijuana is legalized, there is absolutely no doubt that prices will decrease drastically, as companies take advantage of the supply vacuum and start manufacturing marijuana on a industrial level. Economists predict prices to drop 400-500% (4 to 5 times) if legalized. So your "tax evasion theory" is invalid.

2) Not to mention the competitiveness of the industry will force companies to manufacture higher and higher quality standards of marijuana.

3) Please don't put me into a "marijuana-lover". I am not a "pothead", however I obviously have tried marijuana, as like 70% of the Canadian population. I support marijuana legalization because I truly believe it will benefit Canadian society (no time to explain every single benefit; think about it). Label me as one of those educated people who believes in social advancement.

4) Money will be taken out of the hands of criminal gangs because the no gang in the country will be able to compete, in terms of prices, quality and quantity, with marijuana industry and therefore will lose out and lose their revenue stream that finance dangerous illegal activity.

5) If marijuana was legalized, the populace's exposure to dangerous drug dealers will be substantially reduced and consequently, exposure to hard drugs and criminal activity will be substantially reduced as well.

6) It is currently easier for a Canadian teenager to grab some weed than it is for them to purchase alcohol. By legalizing it, it will deter Canadian teenagers and minors to purchase the substance because: 1) Legally, they cannot obtain it 2) Illegally through a drug dealer, the prices will be so expensive due to lack of supply, it will discourage teenagers to do so. 3) Illegally through the system will require more work than it takes currently for the Canadian teenager to be able to purchase weed.

Please try to keep an open-mind. Many people from all walks of life smoke marijuana occasionally (accountants, CEOs, financial consultants, doctors, nurse, hippies, gangsters, politicians, athletes, etc.), but it is obviously the hippies, gangsters and those negative images that "represent" the marijuana image. Why? It is only because of marijuana's illegal status and social stigma (that these other highly educated people don't want to "expose themselves")

P.S. I don't agree with FULL legalization, but legalization with regulation (19 and under shouldn't be able to purchase) and taxation.

   

Well, by FULL legalization, I meant under the same strictures as alcohol. But with the allowance for individuals to grow a bit for themselves And by a bit I don't mean a basement or garage full

   

Right because when something is made legal the price always drops . It's an intoxicant, if it was legalized it would be regulated. As we can see when the government regulates something the price goes up.


Again you are assuming that the government will allow weed to turn into some pseudo cigarette.

So where did you get that nugget of info? You sure do think highly of yourself dont you

Again these are some pretty bold assumption. There will always be a criminal element with controlled substances.

Just because people do something illegal does not mean it should be made legal. Let's make a minor change to your rant

'Please try to keep an open-mind. Many people from all walks of life urinate in public occasionally (accountants, CEOs, financial consultants, doctors, nurse, hippies, gangsters, politicians, athletes, etc.), but it is obviously the hippies, gangsters and those negative images that "represent" the public urination image. Why? It is only because of public urination's illegal status and social stigma (that these other highly educated people don't want to "expose themselves", as if it is something extremely terrible and frightening)'

Now should public urination be made legal?

The main problems I have with marijuana is that it is hard to do a sobriety test for, its hard to regulate how intoxicated you can become, and when someone smokes it effects all those close to them.

   

Usually people don't realise what's good for them and what's bad, so that's one of this kinds.

   

One could never tell you come from a former soviet block nation.

   

It happened with alcohol: price dropped big time. The price of marijuana will undoubtedly drop, and not just drop, but drop drastically when marijuana is legalized. Every renowned economist will tell you this. If you don't want to believe this, I cannot convince you. Just wait until the day it is legalized and you'll see for yourself. Even a Harvard economics prof. (Jeffrey Miron), thought he takes it a step further and says ALL drugs should be legalized, and many other notable economists say the same thing: prices will fall.



I don't understand how you cannot foresee the proper sequence of events that will follow legalization. Regardless, quality of marijuana has already been increased, following customer complaints, on several occasions with Canada's medical marijuana. so government won't allow it? Come on now. If government themselves will increase quality, you're telling me the CORPORATE companies won't compete in this manner as well?



Gangs cannot compete with industrial companies. That is not an assumption. That is a given.



I hope you're actually joking on this one. Hardly makes sense in relevancy to marijuana in so many ways. Relevancy is not even the only problem. This argument is so poor I don't have enough time to explain the number of levels it fails at.



This is your best argument so far and is quite unique in the sense that I've haven't heard this one yet. It will be hard to try to conduct sobriety tests yes, but police officers already do arrest drivers under the influence of marijuana. I believe as long as you are "high" (regardless how high), you shouldn't drive, EVEN if your motor skills are perfect. It is not the motor skills i worry about. It is the judgment and decision-making skills I'm worried about.

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I have no problem switching my opinion overnight to oppose marijuana legalization as long as I hear solid arguments against it.

I can tell you the main problem with legalizing marijuana is NOT that prices might not fall, or that people will get into accidents cause their high, or that "everyone will start smoking", or whether or not gangs will be lesser financed.
The main problem, as I myself personally experienced, is its psychological effects on the human brain, it's long-term effects - both physical and mental -(which have not been thoroughly studied, because of its illegal status), and the issue that we are going to be sending the wrong messages to our children (sometimes I think though, is the message more important than our children? - the increased tax revenues can easily finance more/build better schools, as we all know that it is not prohibition that prevents abuse, but rather education).

   

you do realize that this type of data collection is considered to be less scientific because of the way you are collecting it?

   

That's not how one conducts research. If you've already drawn your own conclusions, then what's the point of conducting a survey? Sounds to me like you're looking for a soapbox, not a data set. Fail.

   

I tend to agree. I'd be interested to read the thesis statement, i'll bet it is not scientifically sensitive.

   

Not to derail the thread but why is everybody so obessed with pot in the first place ?

Alcohol and tobacco already legalised and we can see the effects and cost of those on society.

Today pot, tommorow coke and heroin. So where does it start and stop ?

   

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