WTF is wrong with Canada?
ridenrain @ Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:40 pm
Please show me where you have made a relivent comment, other than the obligatory reference to poor women? You started off stalking and baiting the pro-capital punishment folks and went nowhere from there.
ridenrain @ Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:18 pm
Not everyone lives in Ontario and believes the sun & mood orbit about themselves.
I'm actually reading the coverage, that's why I have an informed oppinion and not just the hollow chatter you've thrown out. I'm not that far away from the farm and have followed the story far before it hit the press, when a reporter from CKNW was following up on the missing women.
The problem with the victimized women is not new and isn't simply going to vanish if we legalize priostitution. If you want to debate that you can reserect the legalize prostitution thread instead of taking this one further off topic.
ridenrain @ Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:02 pm
..and when faced by the actual topic, he runs away.
ridenrain @ Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:15 pm
Another example of the small world we all live in.
Bit of a shaggy dog story but it comes around.. trust me.
I park my car on a small hill and am always worried about rolling over the edge. I phoned around to look for one of those concrete tire stops but they want $35 for one. Too rich for my blood.
Near me, there is a place that does used building supplies, fences and logs and they usually have a few logs out front that they can't use. I went down to pick some up and was talking to the yard guy and he said the property was sold and he was in a big rush to clear the lot. So far it's all win/win.. then
I hear from my brother in law who lives up the road that the property is part of the Pickton group.
I like to think the trial is costing a bit more than expected but thre's no doubt the gov. is picking up that tab. Maybe their seeing that loss and they want to hide the money?
icekarma2752 @ Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:10 am
Biblical_Christian Biblical_Christian:
So you honestly think, that Muslims, the Quran is all peaceful? It's not muslims , perse. But it;s the Quran thats extreme. Do you want me to post some of the words in the Quran, many people have in CKA.
no thanks
fifeboy @ Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:46 am
ridenrain ridenrain:
sandorski sandorski:
As long as Justice is served, I don't really care to have 24/7 analysis of the Trial. The Courts and Jury decides the Guilt/Innocence, not Public Opinion.
sandorski says: Stop public trials because judges know best.
More than the peoples right to know, it's the obligation of the Canadian citisen to be informed.
As members of a free society, it's our responsibility to be informed about something as important as the Picton trial, but responsibility requrires us to take the action. If a person wants to find out what is going on they can get informed, without the media forcing 24 hour a day coverage on them. Open trials help make them fair, but that does not mean it has to have its own T.V. channel. I listen to my news on CBC Radio 1 and it seems there is an article on the trial about one time a week--- enough for me.
ridenrain @ Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:31 pm
Since my pall IceOwl has dropped the story, let me do some more running with scissors.
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New Westminster, B.C. — The jury at Robert Pickton's first-degree murder trial was instructed by the judge Monday to ignore a huge chunk of evidence it has already heard about the partial remains of an unidentified woman dubbed Jane Doe.
In a startling twist, Mr. Justice James William told jury members they should disregard the evidence of several witnesses. “You cannot use it in any way to decide if Mr. Pickton is guilty, or if you have reasonable doubt,” he said, after asking the jury to pay attention and listen to him closely without taking notes.
The judge's instructions to the jury come in the eighth month of the high-profile trial. The prosecution completed its case against Mr. Pickton last month, after calling 98 witnesses. The defence has called nine witnesses so far.
Mr. Pickton is on trial for murder in the deaths of six women – Sereena Abotsway, Andrea Joesbury, Brenda Wolfe, Georgina Papin, Mona Wilson and Marnie Frey. He is not charged with murdering Jane Doe.
However, the prosecution case included a considerable amount of evidence about Jane Doe, and drew attention to similarities between cut marks on her remains and the partial remains of some of the women that Mr. Pickton is accused of murdering.
Judge Williams appealed to jurors to “put the Jane Doe evidence entirely out of your mind. You must disregard what you heard about her. That evidence cannot form any part of your reasons. You must simply ignore it.”
Some people might say what he was asking the jury to do was “unusual,” Judge Williams said. He assured the jury he had sound reasons for what he was deciding. “[They] must not, for a moment, think this is the fault of the Crown or the fault of the defence,” he also told the jury.
But Judge Williams did not say why he decided the evidence was inadmissible or what the lawyers had done to precipitate his instructions to the jury. He asked jury members not to speculate about why he decided as he did. The judge said he would provide the jury with more complete instructions before they are asked to reach a verdict later this year.
In a startling twist, Mr. Justice James William told jury members they should disregard the evidence of several witnesses. “You cannot use it in any way to decide if Mr. Pickton is guilty, or if you have reasonable doubt,” he said, after asking the jury to pay attention and listen to him closely without taking notes.
The judge's instructions to the jury come in the eighth month of the high-profile trial. The prosecution completed its case against Mr. Pickton last month, after calling 98 witnesses. The defence has called nine witnesses so far.
Mr. Pickton is on trial for murder in the deaths of six women – Sereena Abotsway, Andrea Joesbury, Brenda Wolfe, Georgina Papin, Mona Wilson and Marnie Frey. He is not charged with murdering Jane Doe.
However, the prosecution case included a considerable amount of evidence about Jane Doe, and drew attention to similarities between cut marks on her remains and the partial remains of some of the women that Mr. Pickton is accused of murdering.
Judge Williams appealed to jurors to “put the Jane Doe evidence entirely out of your mind. You must disregard what you heard about her. That evidence cannot form any part of your reasons. You must simply ignore it.”
Some people might say what he was asking the jury to do was “unusual,” Judge Williams said. He assured the jury he had sound reasons for what he was deciding. “[They] must not, for a moment, think this is the fault of the Crown or the fault of the defence,” he also told the jury.
But Judge Williams did not say why he decided the evidence was inadmissible or what the lawyers had done to precipitate his instructions to the jury. He asked jury members not to speculate about why he decided as he did. The judge said he would provide the jury with more complete instructions before they are asked to reach a verdict later this year.
Simply put: they found a skull in Mission with similar saw marks to part of a skull they found on the Pickton farm. There was a lot of evidenvce over this and for no known reason, the judge is dismissing it.
In related news:
$1:
Security upped as bikers menace Bryant, lawyers
Increasingly aggressive outlaw biker gangs have threatened Attorney General Michael Bryant and provincial prosecutors and forced the government to tighten security at the Attorney General's downtown office on Bay St.
The threats have progressively increased since the successful prosecution of Hells Angels bikers in a landmark extortion trial in Barrie in 2005, the Star has learned.
The trial concluded with the Hells Angels being labelled a criminal organization, which means its members face an additional 14 years of prison time if prosecutors can prove a crime was committed for the benefit of the Hells Angels.
Police and government sources said there has been a progressive increase in threats – and security – for Crown attorneys and government officials since 2005, and at least one Crown attorney has received several threats.
Increasingly aggressive outlaw biker gangs have threatened Attorney General Michael Bryant and provincial prosecutors and forced the government to tighten security at the Attorney General's downtown office on Bay St.
The threats have progressively increased since the successful prosecution of Hells Angels bikers in a landmark extortion trial in Barrie in 2005, the Star has learned.
The trial concluded with the Hells Angels being labelled a criminal organization, which means its members face an additional 14 years of prison time if prosecutors can prove a crime was committed for the benefit of the Hells Angels.
Police and government sources said there has been a progressive increase in threats – and security – for Crown attorneys and government officials since 2005, and at least one Crown attorney has received several threats.
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/254423
Coincidence?