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Neither do I despite opinions to the contrary. I will yet again point out that is was BartSimpson who essentially called me a nazi because of my apparent anti-religiousness. I felt compelled to show just how religious and Xtian Hitler and the nazis were.

In, addition, the faithful speak about god, jesus, (insert core belief) as matter of fact truth as according to their beliefs. Why cannot I state them as myth as is my core belief?

   

This is the only thing that disturbed me. If I took it the wrong way, I shouldn't have called your comments bigotted.

As far as others are concerned, I'm not going to have my posts fall on proverbial deaf ears. I just want to make sure this whole Hitler thing (which you can agree is extremely volatile) stays in perspective...

   

A wise man once told me, "Do what you want to, you're going t do it anyway."

But as far as this forum is concerned, you won't get far debating/discussing something like religion with people when you tell them their beliefs are akin to unicorns and goblins. That's why our discussions always end with the 'religious folk' getting fed up and not posting anymore.

You can respect the beliefs of others and keep your own, that's all..

   

You did actually. Manifest did the same thing. It was designed to throw fault on them for considering it an insult to Xtianity for "daring to suggest Hitler was Xtian?". They were the ones who took the "guilt by association" tect in this debate. That is because a great many fundie religious types will point to bad examples of anothers faith as representetive of the whole so it is no wonder they are desperate to deny connections to Hitler & nazism. Thos ewho ignore history are condemned to repeat it.



had this discussion with Twister. I don't out and out start the religious talk (but I may soon start). I come out firering at people like Bart who uses the recent extremist muslim violence to attack the whole faith while they sit on a religious moral high horse in the false belief that theirs is better. I show the truth about the darker side of their faith in contrast. The problem is we have a few muslims only so it looks like I'm constantly attacking Xtians.

C'est la Vie.

   

Mustang1, I did read your post.

At first I wanted to quote every single paragraph like i do everytime, but I changed my mind.

It would be useless. We are running in circles and I don't want to repeat the same old things over and over again. I realize now that I have said all I had to say on the issue...

So now, I hope you don't see this like a "DODGE !!!" or like I'm chickening out... because it's not the case. We obviously don't agree on the importance of defining christianity.

I'm just running out of inspiration and I just can't find another way to answer this kind of comment anymore

... I would have to say one more time that I still don't know how the historians concluded Hitler was a Catholic. What were their criterias? You see, I'm even annoying myself.

   

Fair enough. It would seem as though we’ve exhausted this avenue. Thanks for the discussion. I’ll see you on other threads, I’m sure.

   

Well, my turn to thank you. This discussion was very constructive.

   

Ok already. Hitler claimed that what he was doing was to save Western civilization. He along with many Western powers thought that National Socialism was the bulwark against godlees Communism and overlooked alot of its evils because they considered it the lesser of two evils. Many Christians opposed his views because he didn't fit into their definition of what makes a Christian, a Christian. However, Christianity is full of Christians killing other Christians because their interpretations differed by a few words. Various gnostic sects, Cathars, the Templars, Anabaptists,Copts and the French Calvinists(can't spell the Hugonots(sic)), were all put to the sword and flame or imprisoned by other Christians because they were labelled heretics by the powers that be.

Richard the Lion heart is portrayed as a heroic king in the history books and his brother John is portrayed as a villian. The truth is coming out that John was by far a better ruler, cared more for the common people, than the nobles who imposed the Magna Carta, not so much to protect the rights of the people, but their own self interest (weakening central authority).

Vlad Tepes, the ruler of Wallachia, who the legend Dracula is based on is seen in the West as a blood thirsty villian. Yet in the Romanian Orthodox Church he is a saint and viewed as a savior of Europe His brutality and tactics gave the Ottomans pause in their onslaughts in the Balklans. He likely considered himself a Christian, but I'm sure that the Turks viewed him as a fiend of hell as did the Germans (other Christians who tried to undermine his rule and ended up paying with their lives).

While most Christians view Pontius Pilate as a villian and responsible for Christ's crucifixtion, the Coptic Church venerates him as a saint. He tried to do all within his power to save the life of Jesus according to the Copts.

Those who filled the Office of the Inquistion, felt that they were doing God's work and that torture, though destroying the victims body, would compel them to confess and therefore save their immortal soul. This was more important to them then the fact that red hot pokers were being applies to the soles of the heretics feet.

Christianity claims to be a personal relationship between God and man, so each person experiences "Christianity" in a unique way. From what Christ preached, was Hitler a Christian? No But how many "Christians" live their life the way Christ told them to? Today in those Western countries, that still have capital punishment , the convicted killer is always given the chance to confess and repent. They are going to die, but the Christian thing is to give them the opportunity to save their soul, because that is the "Christian thing to do. This is my final comment on the matter.

   

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