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Fighter @ Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:43 am

Situation in South Asia is again uneasy and Mad aka "Hitler" Modi is responsible for it.

I think by Trump's offer of mediation on Kashmir, Indians got panicked and blinked here. They have announced that they'll integrate Kashmir into their territory against the wishes of people living over there. This is height of arrogance by Indians, disrespecting the other parties (Pakistan, China) and also unilaterally moving against wishes of locals over there.

I think Indians are playing by Israelis playbook. Now Hindus from across India will try to pour inside Kashmir to change demographics of Kashmir but unlike Palestine, Kashmir has a strong backer in Pakistan right in neighborhood - sharing cultural, religious, blood ties.

Chances of war are very high as Pakistanis have announced we'll not tolerate this. Khan will chair NSC meeting today and has made a speech in parliament detailing all history behind Modi and his fucked up organization RSS.

India Is Creating Its Own West Bank in Kashmir

Erasing the troubled state’s autonomy will only inflame separatist sentiment and undermine the country’s standing as a liberal democracy.

By Mihir Sharma
August 5, 2019, 3:16 PM GMT+5

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A vision of the future? Photographer: Tauseef Mustafa/AFP/Getty Images

Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government in India often claims that its actions are unprecedented -- that no government in India’s history has been bold enough to do what it does. Most of the time this is, to put it mildly, an exaggeration. But on Monday, they certainly went far beyond what any previous Indian government has done about the troubled state of Jammu & Kashmir. And that’s a big, big problem.

After a tense and terse build-up -- during which a major pilgrimage was canceled, the Kashmir Valley was flooded with soldiers and Kashmiri politicians were arrested -- Modi’s right-hand man, Home Minister Amit Shah, announced a set of Kashmir-related legal changes in Parliament on Monday. In essence they scrap the special status promised to Jammu & Kashmir when it became part of India seven decades ago; divide the state into two; and reduce the power of elected state politicians to pass laws and control the local police. Jammu & Kashmir will no longer have the rights and privileges of a state of the Indian Union, but instead be a Union Territory, with its laws requiring the assent and permission of the government in New Delhi.

Perhaps these changes will not be upheld by India’s Supreme Court. But, if they are, they would indeed be unprecedented. No Indian government has ever seriously wanted to disturb the delicate legal balance that underlies New Delhi’s claim to the Valley. Moreover, there is no doubt they will inflame separatist sentiment in Kashmir. Its residents are already simmering with anger at decades of repression and a constant military presence in their homes and villages. Now, in their eyes, their sole claim to autonomy and identity has been taken away.

What will these changes mean for Kashmir’s future, and India’s? If implemented fully, one big thing will change: Previously, only those from Kashmir could own land there; now the Valley could be flooded with settlers from outside. India has never played the demographic card -- used its overwhelming numbers elsewhere to render native Kashmiris’ demands moot, the way that Beijing has by urging Han Chinese to migrate to Tibet and Xinjiang.

Whether Kashmir will end up looking like those restive, semi-autonomous provinces, or more like the West Bank -- with armed settlers living in highly protected colonies amid a larger, disenfranchised population subject to arbitrary justice -- is not clear at the moment. Those are, however, the most likely options.

Neither would be in any way a positive for India. Whatever else, this country still aspires to be a liberal democracy respected worldwide, and it won’t be if it creates a Xinjiang or a West Bank in Kashmir, rendering people second-class citizens or putting them in camps. Nor do India’s people and economy have the resources to deal with a sustained, angry insurgency.

Worse, many other restive parts of India -- with shrinking populations, as opposed to the growing ones in Modi’s heartland of the north and west -- will be given fresh reason to fear this demographic bludgeon. Already various states are designing laws meant to deny employment to “outsiders.” The prospect of large-scale settlement would enrage sub-nationalists elsewhere in India, hardly a desirable outcome from New Delhi’s point of view.

The reasons that Modi’s government has done this have, therefore, nothing to do with India’s national interest. It’s all about pushing forward his Bharatiya Janata Party’s deeply rooted ideals of Hindu majoritarianism. Kashmir is India’s only Muslim-majority state and its autonomy is offensive to the BJP and its ideological fellow-travelers. Israel -- which they see not as a multi-ethnic democracy, but as a militant religio-nationalist state that knows how to treat Muslims -- has always been their ideal.

It’s also a simple electoral calculation: Whenever there is tension between Hindus and Muslims, the BJP does better in elections. The economy is visibly struggling and, like other populist-authoritarians, Modi may well see this as a good moment to double down on majoritarian identity politics.

The tragedy for Kashmir and India is that there is likely to be no real pushback against this decision. Modi’s parliamentary majority in this year’s general elections was large enough to have cowed the political opposition in New Delhi. The media has been muzzled or bought off, and independent institutions have had their wings clipped. The Kashmiris’ most popular leaders are far from sympathetic spokesmen: Those who are not corrupt, compromised or dynasts are largely al-Qaeda-loving Islamist fundamentalists.

Nor will there be any real pressure from abroad, at least to begin with. Donald Trump loves authoritarians more than liberal democrats anyway. And has anybody stepped up for Xinjiang? No, instead the world has cravenly kowtowed to Beijing. Then why should Modi worry that anyone will isolate India if it treats Kashmir similarly?

The only people who might object are those who recognize the road that this takes India down -- one which undermines its Constitution, strains its union and brutalizes its people. But those voices are few and stifled in India today.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-08-05/india-s-elimination-of-kashmir-s-autonomy-will-backfire

   



DrCaleb @ Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:08 am

Yea, when I heard Modi was going to divide and annex Kashmir, I went . . . [popcorn]

At least it's a distraction from the Trumpster fire.

   



llama66 @ Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:53 am

Make Kashmir its own country and have both India and Pakistan cede the affected States to it.

   



PublicAnimalNo9 @ Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:47 am

$1:
I think Indians are playing by Israelis playbook.
And now you're not even worth listening to.

   



N_Fiddledog @ Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:28 am

Here's one without the Jew hate:

Imran Khan predicts rise in suicide bombing in Kashmir as Pakistan's army issues dire warning


"Pakistan's military will "go to any extent" to support Kashmiris, the army chief has said, while Imran Khan predicted new suicide bombings in Indian-administered Kashmir after Delhi revoked the region's self-rule.

Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa said the military which largely controls Pakistan's regional security policy “stands by the Kashmiris in their just struggle to the very end".

Residents of Indian-administered Kashmir were on Tuesday still under a security crackdown with phones and internet cut after the sudden decision to abolish political autonomy in the disputed Muslim majority territory.

As Pakistan's parliament met to discuss the move, Mr Khan predicted there would be more terrorist attacks in Kashmir like the blast which killed 40 paramilitary police in Pulwama in February. India blamed that attack on Pakistan and the two sides came close to war.

“With an approach of this nature, incidents like Pulwama are bound to happen again. I can already predict this will happen,” Mr Khan said.


There are fears Delhi's move to revoke article 370 of the constitution may send the region into a new spiral of violence and deepening militant violence.

“Jihad is now obligatory for Muslims in Pakistan because our Kashmiri sisters are waiting for our help,” said Maulana Abdul Aziz, former prayer leader at the notorious Red Mosque in Islamabad.

The preacher who led a 2007 Islamist uprising that was put down in a bloody siege released an audio message on Tuesday, saying if Pakistan's government could not help people in Kashmir, then it should open the border for militants to fight.

Mullah Masood Azhar, chief of the Jaish-e-Mohammad militant group which India blames for killing 40 paramilitary police in February and a string of other attacks, said Delhi's decision marked a new chapter for the Kashmir conflict.

He told followers: “Now its the time that Kashmiris need to come out with unity and then the enemy will be begging for peace and negotiations.”

Pakistan's military has for decades been accused of harbouring and supporting jihadists such as Jaish-e-Mohammad to push its agenda in Kashmir and Afghanistan.

It promised a crackdown earlier in the year, but American officials told Gen Bajwa and Imran Khan during their successful visit to Washington last month that they still wanted to see “irreversible action” against terrorist and militant groups.

The Kashmir crisis now means Pakistan's military has to decide whether to between defying America just as relations appeared to be warming, said Farzana Shaikh, a Pakistan expert at the Chatham House think tank.

She said: “Pakistan has fine tuned the business of plausible deniability, so there is still the possibility that these groups, some of them will be unleashed. But it's really not clear what [the army's] going to do now given that it was until recently basking in the glow of a new era in US-Pakistan relations.”


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/0 ... g-kashmir/

   



stratos @ Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:44 am

Now so many innocents in Kashmir and surrounding area will probably pay a heavy price if this comes to a war of some sort. :(

   



llama66 @ Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:56 am

Sorry, Fighter. You lost me when you called Modi "Hitler"

   



Fighter @ Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:06 pm

stratos stratos:
Now so many innocents in Kashmir and surrounding area will probably pay a heavy price if this comes to a war of some sort. :(


They are already paying the price of occupation by India...Total black out, curfew, no internet...While Pakistani Kashmir is absolutely calm.

It is clearly visible where people want to align themselves.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Here's one without the Jew hate:

Imran Khan predicts rise in suicide bombing in Kashmir as Pakistan's army issues dire warning


"Pakistan's military will "go to any extent" to support Kashmiris, the army chief has said, while Imran Khan predicted new suicide bombings in Indian-administered Kashmir after Delhi revoked the region's self-rule.

Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa said the military which largely controls Pakistan's regional security policy “stands by the Kashmiris in their just struggle to the very end".

Residents of Indian-administered Kashmir were on Tuesday still under a security crackdown with phones and internet cut after the sudden decision to abolish political autonomy in the disputed Muslim majority territory.

As Pakistan's parliament met to discuss the move, Mr Khan predicted there would be more terrorist attacks in Kashmir like the blast which killed 40 paramilitary police in Pulwama in February. India blamed that attack on Pakistan and the two sides came close to war.

“With an approach of this nature, incidents like Pulwama are bound to happen again. I can already predict this will happen,” Mr Khan said.


There are fears Delhi's move to revoke article 370 of the constitution may send the region into a new spiral of violence and deepening militant violence.

“Jihad is now obligatory for Muslims in Pakistan because our Kashmiri sisters are waiting for our help,” said Maulana Abdul Aziz, former prayer leader at the notorious Red Mosque in Islamabad.

The preacher who led a 2007 Islamist uprising that was put down in a bloody siege released an audio message on Tuesday, saying if Pakistan's government could not help people in Kashmir, then it should open the border for militants to fight.

Mullah Masood Azhar, chief of the Jaish-e-Mohammad militant group which India blames for killing 40 paramilitary police in February and a string of other attacks, said Delhi's decision marked a new chapter for the Kashmir conflict.

He told followers: “Now its the time that Kashmiris need to come out with unity and then the enemy will be begging for peace and negotiations.”

Pakistan's military has for decades been accused of harbouring and supporting jihadists such as Jaish-e-Mohammad to push its agenda in Kashmir and Afghanistan.

It promised a crackdown earlier in the year, but American officials told Gen Bajwa and Imran Khan during their successful visit to Washington last month that they still wanted to see “irreversible action” against terrorist and militant groups.

The Kashmir crisis now means Pakistan's military has to decide whether to between defying America just as relations appeared to be warming, said Farzana Shaikh, a Pakistan expert at the Chatham House think tank.

She said: “Pakistan has fine tuned the business of plausible deniability, so there is still the possibility that these groups, some of them will be unleashed. But it's really not clear what [the army's] going to do now given that it was until recently basking in the glow of a new era in US-Pakistan relations.”


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/0 ... g-kashmir/


Jew hate? Criticizing Israel means one hates Jews? The article I quoted and author is also Jew hating since the headline was India is creating its own west bank.....?

:evil:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
$1:
I think Indians are playing by Israelis playbook.
And now you're not even worth listening to.


Stop worshiping Israel.

llama66 llama66:
Make Kashmir its own country and have both India and Pakistan cede the affected States to it.


Does Kashmiris want it? Pakistan says lets do what Kashmniris want while Indians remain unmoved as she knows what people of Kashmir will demand....Freedom from India, at the very least if not joining Pakistan.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Yea, when I heard Modi was going to divide and annex Kashmir, I went . . . [popcorn]

At least it's a distraction from the Trumpster fire.


That pig loves to play with blood of innocents...He has no family, no children.....has no empathy at all, a monster he is. Very hard for Pakistanis to let this slide.

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UN says something

"We are deeply concerned that the latest restrictions in Indian-Administered Kashmir will exacerbate the human rights situation in the region" --
@UNHumanRights spokesperson

https://twitter.com/UN/status/1159134102915887104

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India Tempts Fate in Kashmir, ‘The Most Dangerous Place in the World’

By revoking the special status of the mountainous territory, India is courting conflict with Pakistan.

By The Editorial Board
Aug. 5, 2019

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The Indian government’s decision to revoke the semiautonomous status of Kashmir, accompanied by a huge security clampdown, is dangerous and wrong. Bloodshed is all but certain, and tension with Pakistan will soar.

The Himalayan territory of Kashmir has long been the central source of friction between India and Pakistan and a hotbed of separatist aspirations. Rival claims to Kashmir have led to two wars and frequent eruptions of violence and terrorism over the past seven decades, made all the more menacing by the nuclear arsenals of India and Pakistan. Only in February, a Kashmiri suicide bomber struck an Indian military convoy, prompting a tense military standoff and aerial dogfights between India and Pakistan. After an earlier such incident, former president Bill Clinton dubbed Kashmir “the most dangerous place in the world.”

The Indian government knows how incendiary its actions are, which is why, before making the announcement on Monday, it ordered tens of thousands more troops into Kashmir, put major political figures under house arrest, ordered tourists to leave, closed schools and cut off internet services.

The government claimed it was acting to prevent a planned terrorist attack. But Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his governing Bharatiya Janata Party, deeply rooted in Hindu nationalist ideology, have long made no secret of their intention to revoke the articles in the Indian Constitution granting the predominantly Muslim Kashmir a special status — a move the B.J.P. sees as “correcting a historical blunder.”

That “blunder” began with Britain’s 1947 partition of its Indian colony into a Hindu-majority India and a Muslim-majority Pakistan. The status of what was then the principality of Jammu and Kashmir was left undecided. India and Pakistan soon fell to blows over it, which ended with Pakistan occupying roughly a third and India two-thirds, divided by a heavily armed and bullet-riddled “line of control.” India’s side was granted a relative degree of autonomy in exchange for accepting Indian rule.

The United Nations recommended holding a referendum to let Kashmiris decide their fate, but that never happened. In later years, Muslim militants, often backed by Pakistan, joined the fray, striking at Indian troops in Kashmir and at targets deep inside India, including a multiday killing spree in Mumbai in 2008 that left more than 160 people dead.

In this volatile stew, India’s latest action provoked instant vows of resistance. The Kashmiris are especially incensed by the lifting of a ban they had long imposed on the purchase of land by nonresidents, to prevent their land from being bought up by Indians. “There will be chaos if our identity is compromised,” vowed Mehbooba Mufti, a former chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir. In neighboring Pakistan the sabers were quick to rattle. “Pakistan will exercise all possible options to counter the illegal steps,” declared the Pakistan Foreign Ministry, while Shahbaz Sharif, the leader of the political opposition, thundered that “Kashmir is the jugular vein of Pakistan, and anyone laying a hand on our jugular vein will meet a frightful end.”

The fray is not without global implications. Under President Trump, the United States has shifted its favors from Pakistan, a longtime recipient of American aid, to India, which the administration perceives as a bulwark against China. China, meanwhile, has become an ally and financial patron of Pakistan.

There is still a good chance that the changes to the Constitution will end up before India’s Supreme Court. But the fires are already lit. The United States and China must not allow Kashmir to become a pawn in their ongoing disputes; on the contrary, the United States, China, the United Nations and other powers with influence over India and Pakistan must urgently do what they can to prevent India’s folly from escalating into a perilous and unpredictable regional crisis.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/opinion/kashmir-article-370.html

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CCC on Kashmir situation at GHQ. Forum fully supported Government’s rejection of Indian actions regarding Kashmir. Pakistan never recognised the sham Indian efforts to legalise its occupation of Jammu & Kashmir

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Khan has called third NSC meeting in row now...Situation is dead serious. He addressed Parliament yesterday....This is highlights of what he said:-

He said if we have to fight a war, Pakistan has two options: Bahadur Shah Zafar? or Tipu Sultan? We will fight them till the last drop of our blood. I know my Nation, we are not scared of death. We take decisions with faith on Allah not in fear of anything.

He continued, The war that we are ready to fight till our last drop of blood, I ask you what type of war that will be? I tell you it will be catastrophic war that no side will win, it will be total annihilation. So I want to ask them do you want such a war?

He said, i'm not blackmailing but telling you this is how its going to be so this is the time to take action. This is why I appeal to the world to stop India as they are openly mutilating International laws.

He said, they are doing it because the world didn't do anything thing before to stop them so I'm warning that this has now escalated to unprecidented level and now this situation will go where there will be nothing but destruction everywhere.

He said, this is the time to act for the world to stop a racist regime like Nazi Party of Hitler which the world failed to stop at the right time. This is the historic evil we face again now that must be stopped. They are going against Gandhi, Nehru etc this mentality killed Gandhi... Time to stop it and not appeasement like Nazis.

He warned that if International community does not stop this mutilation of its own created international laws then DON'T BLAME US IF THINGS GO SIDE WAYS.

He Added, My Government will fight this on every front. My Government will take it up in UN, with heads of countries, we will take it to Security council, General assembly will discuss this, in media we'll raise this issue because this is exactly against the values of International community the same way as Nazi threat was.

He reminded that Kashmir freedom struggle cannot be suppressed by any act of any parliament, the whole Muslim world stands with Kashmiris on this.

The world cannot blame us for any blackmail or anything else, if not stopped, the region is moving towards nuclear war and destruction. WE WILL NEVER ACCEPT INDIAN SUPREMECY AND IF THEY IMPOSE ON US THE ONLY WAY FOR US IS WAR. A WAR WHICH WILL NOT JUST AFFECT SUBCONTINENT BUT THE WHOLE WORLD WILL FACE ITS EFFECTS. THANKYOU.

He had explained in begining of his speech that extremist BJP went against UNSC resolutions, own constitution, simla agreement, human rights laws and 17 UN general assembly and SC resolutions, they are changing the demography of Kashmir and it goes against Geneva convention, they have comitted war crime by their illegal action, they are breaking all local and international laws because of their RSS Ideology.

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Pak airspace has been closed for Indians, partially at least.

Ambassador just expelled.

Trade cancelled.

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DrCaleb @ Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:08 pm

llama66 llama66:
Sorry, Fighter. You lost me when you called Modi "Hitler"


It is a bit extreme, but it's also not unfair. Modi is actively discriminating against minority Sikhs and Muslims in India.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48278441

Remember the hard time our Sikh MPs got in India?

   



Fighter @ Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:09 pm

llama66 llama66:
Sorry, Fighter. You lost me when you called Modi "Hitler"


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
llama66 llama66:
Sorry, Fighter. You lost me when you called Modi "Hitler"


It is a bit extreme, but it's also not unfair. Modi is actively discriminating against minority Sikhs and Muslims in India.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48278441

Remember the hard time our Sikh MPs got in India?


Interesting thing is observers do that....Indians included who know the history of Nazis and RSS.

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/hitlers-hindus-indias-nazi-loving-nationalists-on-the-rise-1.5628532

https://www.ibtimes.com/hindu-nationalists-historical-links-nazism-fascism-214222

   



DrCaleb @ Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:11 pm

Fighter Fighter:
Jew hate? Criticizing Israel means one hates Jews? The article I quoted and author is also Jew hating since the headline was India is creating its own west bank.....?

:evil:


Yes, to some, all you have to do is mention Israel in a bad light. and you are a Jew hater.

(Despite the accuracy of the statement). By dividing Kashmir, India will be 'walling off' a part of the population based on ethnicity.

   



DrCaleb @ Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:13 pm

Fighter Fighter:
Interesting thing is observers do that....Indians included who know the history of Nazis and RSS.

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/hitlers-hindus-indias-nazi-loving-nationalists-on-the-rise-1.5628532


An Israeli newspaper hating Hitler? How odd. 8)

   



Fighter @ Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:15 pm

Modi hailed from organization who killed GANDHI

Nathuram Godse. Nathuram Vinayak Godse (19 May 1910 – 15 November 1949) was the assassin of Mahatma Gandhi, who shot Gandhi in the chest three times at point blank range in New Delhi on 30 January 1948.

   



Fighter @ Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:22 pm

READY ?

Time to support our #ArmedForces

*Intense Combat Air Patrol (CAP) flights over Karachi city is ongoing

CONFIRMED

Heavy fire exchange between Pakistan and Indian Armies along LoC in Sunderbani Sector and Rajouri Sector.

CONFIRMED.

https://twitter.com/MirMAKOfficial/status/1159176083197038593


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Fighter Fighter:
Interesting thing is observers do that....Indians included who know the history of Nazis and RSS.

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/hitlers-hindus-indias-nazi-loving-nationalists-on-the-rise-1.5628532


An Israeli newspaper hating Hitler? How odd. 8)


:)

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Fighter Fighter:
Jew hate? Criticizing Israel means one hates Jews? The article I quoted and author is also Jew hating since the headline was India is creating its own west bank.....?

:evil:


Yes, to some, all you have to do is mention Israel in a bad light. and you are a Jew hater.

(Despite the accuracy of the statement). By dividing Kashmir, India will be 'walling off' a part of the population based on ethnicity.


Modi has gambled and has successfully irked Pakistan and China, two nuclear armed states right at doorstep. This is not good idea....Chinese usually don't come very bold in press releases/statements...They work behind the curtain....But China has issued straight rebuttal. She is also party over here with claim on Kashmir.

“Recently India has continued to undermine China’s territorial sovereignty by unilaterally changing its domestic law,” the spokesperson said. “Such practice is unacceptable and will not come into force.”

https://www.samaa.tv/news/2019/08/indias-kashmir-move-undermines-chinas-sovereignty-beijing/

   



llama66 @ Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:32 pm

Calling someone Hitler is the absolute laziest argument ever. You call someone "Pol Pot", "(Chairman) Mao", "Stalin" or "Hitler" and I'll think of you as a mental midget.

Call him what he is (in your mind), a Tyrannical Despot or something akin to that. Just don't take the cop-out route and call him Hitler.

   



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