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Three years in Africa. 20 years in the UK, yep anecdotal. But your not going to agree with me DD. Your from Pakistan.

   

You spent time in the UK BF?

   

Not much. What does that have to do with it?

   

Credibility.

   

I prefer to comment on subjects I have actual knowledge of. Maybe you don't.

As Gunny said. It's a credibility issue.

You try and make fun of my position yet you have no real experience or knowledge to back up your posts.

I've spent time (as in months) in Kenya, Ethiopia, Egypt, Sudan, Senegal and a few runs ashore in SA. I also lived and worked in England, mainly in communities with a highly diverse and multicultural population.

You?

   

Can either of you please explain what "spennding time in the UK" has to do with knowing what influence former empires have over their former colonies? That's the only part of this conversation I've been party to.

   

Having spent some 45 years in Britain I met many immigrants from Britain's former colonies.

Most came to Britain after rule was handed back to those former colonies.

Most said life changed dramatically for the worse after Britain pulled out.

Yes I know that maybe isn't the whole story, but having lived in England you do get a feel for these things.

   

Credibility.

   

Never I said i don't or do agree with you, just commenting on what you posted and glad to see that you agree with me on that.

Its actually the immersion into a place rather than time spent, I know western expats who have spent over a decade here and still don't know crap about the middle east nor can speak the language at all, not even to construct very poor broken sentences. Spend cocooned and isolated from what goes around them sending most of their time as Andy put its cluster fucking with their own kind. Than on the other hand there are expats, who with in 6 months to year get the feel and jist of the place.

On a similar vein many from the afore mentioned expats living here for ages despise the culture, tradition, relegion everything thing to do with the middle east, yet they live and work here ? Boy if I had a dollar for every complaining westerner I've met here !

Same thing with immigrants to western countries.

   

Zelaya was told repeatedly by members of his own administration that the action was illegal. Yet he persistsed in ordering the election which was designed to change term limits - and in the Honduran Constitution there are eight articles that cannot be changed and one of them is term limits.

Zelaya's Attorney General told him that this was illegal. His electoral tribunal told him it was illegal. His human rights commissioner told him it was illegal - and these people were his own appointees and members of his own party. Still he persisted.

The BS about a military coup is just that: BS. The military never took control of the government at any time during the crisis. Civilian control passed from Zelaya to the defacto VP Micheletti with no interruption in civilian rule.


The leftists in the region are pissed that one of their own was foiled and they have it in for Honduras. Honduras is trying to balance having the rule of law and having international relations and they're being very patient with an international organization that wants their government and Constitution replaced with something more resembling what Hugo Chavez has.

I have friends in Honduras:

http://www.pettengillmissionaries.org/

And I'm well versed in the goings on there. These people are trying hard not be a banana republic and the vast majority of them are PROUD of the fact that the rule of law trumped a wanna-be dictator like Zelaya. What really disappoints the people in Honduras is that they expected the United States to support them and instead they ended up fearing that Obama would invade the country to put Zelaya back into power against their will.

These people are proud of their republic and they are proud of their government for not allowing a prick like Zelaya to seize power.

If you would bother to know these people or maybe go there and get to know them instead of just listening to Pravda or whatever the hell leftist crap you listen to then maybe, just maybe, you'd have some respect for these people.

   

Ya so???

I never said the new indigenous dictator was better or kinder than than the old one. In fact I know they were often far worse...that's not my point. I just said these new dictators know that was side their bread is buttered on...and keeping the old Colonial master happy (or the old Colonial master's global power rival happy in some cases) is how they stay in power.

When Colonial powers handed government over to the locals, the privately-owned and operated mines, plantations etc. in those former colonies didn't magically get turned over to the locals along with it. Those lucrative stratetic and economic assets stayed in the hands of the wealthy Brit or French or Belgian corporations and aristocrats who founded them. The Colonial powers made it clear to the new dictators that messing with any that property or its revenues would result in military or economic sanctions. They also made it clear to the dictator that if he cooperated with the Colonial powers' agenda whenever called upon to do so, he and his cronies could wet their beaks with a taste of the reveneue and miliatary and foreign aid. As long as the Dictator did what he was told, the Europeans couldn't care less whether he brutalized his own people and plundered the country and they'd keep him in power. Like Kissinger said: "He's a real SOB but he's our SOB",

Gunny: How about you contribute something meaningful on this one instead of obnoxious chirps from the peanut gallery?

   

Isn't this a thread about the UK and multicult? I've lived/worked with immigrants in the UK from former colonies and I've been to maybe 20 of those former colonies. As in left my basement and set foot in them.

   

   

Truth hurts, then you whine.

Meaningful.

   

For the record; I'm rather enjoying Gunnair's obnoxious chirps.

Please, do carry on.

   

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