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Rev_Blair @ Sun Jul 13, 2003 5:32 am

Not me SS, I live in Manitoba. Our ditches are fine, it's the roads that suck. Getting inmates to do the work won't help though, it'll just put the people who are doing the work now out of jobs. Some of them will turn to crime to make ends meet, no doubt.

That's the problem with all these simplistic solutions like work-fare and chain gangs...the repercussions are far reaching and tend to make things worse, not better.

   



Twila @ Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:34 pm

So solitary confinement for 10yrs. Then they're released into society and............

If you have a festering wound you don't put a bandaid on it and hope it will go away............


You can't put somebody in jail and expect to be able to release them as productive members without counselling, training or insentives.

Anybody have the stats on repeat offenders? Why do they repeat? Cause they had a bloody big bandaid stuck on them but the infection was left.

   



Rev_Blair @ Mon Jul 14, 2003 6:48 pm

Yeah, teach them a trade and teach them social skills. Address their drug and alcohol problems. Give them counselling. Make sure they are literate.

Part of the problem with living in a throw-away society is that we are all too willing to throw away people as easily as a clock radio that doesn't work anymore.

   



Koopsta @ Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:05 pm

Refering back to the first post i think the ideas about the senate were dead on. The Senate needs to have some degree of power as well as the governor general. The G-G should have to be a thinker to have the position not just be a figure head (a pretty face) next thing you know Pamela Anderson's the G-G (NO! thats a disgrace) The G-G shoudl have a voice in the senate debates (lets say the senate decides a rewording of the law is in order he/she can decide if it is necessary for it to go back to commons). I think it would be great if Senators were appointed provincially thorugh the provincial governments.
As far as term limits on PMs go I disagree I think they should be able to serve as long as they represent the people.
I also find this leaning towards socialist responses to our nations problems somewhat entertaining considering Sam roberts song Canadian Dream which is about SOCIALISM being the "only way".

   



Twila @ Wed Jul 16, 2003 9:50 am

Koopsta, the last part of your post reminded me of a comedian I'd seen on t.v a couple of weeks ago.

He was talking about people and perceptions. And wondered "how something like Socialism could be bad. It after all has the word SOCIAL in it. Same with communism, it has commune in it, could be community. If you had a socialist/communist type gov't you have a socially and community driven gov't.

He goes on to say how Democracy has the latin base of demon in it and yet this is the ideal form of gov't?

He made me laugh. It was better worded then my chop job, but makes you think, no?

   



polemarch1 @ Wed Jul 16, 2003 2:33 pm

$1:
He goes on to say how Democracy has the latin base of demon in it and yet this is the ideal form of gov't?


Democracy is not a Latin word. It comes from two Greek words one, demos, means the people.

$1:
He was talking about people and perceptions. And wondered "how something like Socialism could be bad. It after all has the word SOCIAL in it. Same with communism, it has commune in it, could be community. If you had a socialist/communist type gov't you have a socially and community driven gov't


Well Socialism can be good Communism isn't. Communism has proved itself to be Fascism and Anarchy's sibling.

   



Twila @ Wed Jul 16, 2003 2:52 pm

ah well. I'm sure he tried.

   



Rev_Blair @ Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:11 pm

polemarch1 polemarch1:
$1:
He goes on to say how Democracy has the latin base of demon in it and yet this is the ideal form of gov't?


Democracy is not a Latin word. It comes from two Greek words one, demos, means the people.

$1:
He was talking about people and perceptions. And wondered "how something like Socialism could be bad. It after all has the word SOCIAL in it. Same with communism, it has commune in it, could be community. If you had a socialist/communist type gov't you have a socially and community driven gov't


Well Socialism can be good Communism isn't. Communism has proved itself to be Fascism and Anarchy's sibling.


And unchecked capitalism is heading down the same path. :lol:

   



ABSOLUT_SS @ Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:11 pm

Work hard, give a shit. Its called capitalism. No need for socialism or communism. BTW, isn't that what THEY want, "work hard, give a shit"? Socialists/communists fleece from the poor to feed the rich, sound familiar?

   



polemarch1 @ Thu Jul 17, 2003 4:20 pm

BINGO! Socialist and Communists are wolves in sheeps clothing.

   



Rev_Blair @ Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:28 pm

Funny, communists and socialists are usually accused of fleecing the "haves" to feed the poor, or as you guys like to call them "welfare bums."

How come communism and socialism are always compared to capitalism instead anyway? Why aren't they compared to democracy anymore? :?:

   



BadAssBookie @ Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:47 pm

Twila Twila:
Badass, are you meaning me?


I mean do not be associated with anyone who has a heroin "habit".

Did I say I had hope somewhere??? This can't be me. 8)

   



ABSOLUT_SS @ Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:33 pm

US guys??? Welfare bums? There WOULD be no welfare bums in SS's little republic, to use, ahem, YOU'RE/YOU/YORE term. And what the hell is "us guys" supposed to mean? You think I'm some sort of mean little white-guy banker type, who goes to church on sunday, but orders top-shelf call-girls on business trips? A WASP? Now I'm shocked!

   



polemarch1 @ Thu Jul 17, 2003 8:36 pm

$1:
Funny, communists and socialists are usually accused of fleecing the "haves" to feed the poor, or as you guys like to call them "welfare bums."


Funny, don't recall calling anyone a welfare bum. Communist tend to like to steal from the "haves", then shoot the "haves". Then of course everyone is equal, it's just that some are more equal then others. Name one communist government that has combined freedom and prosperity. I can't think of any. Socialists are a bit better, but in the processes of helping the have not's they fail to provide suffiecent motivation for the person to improve. For example, I know a guy on welfare. Sits around his apartment all day smoken pot and cigarettes. No motivation is given for him to work (except those of us who tell him to go get a job).

   



Koopsta @ Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:05 pm

I think my socialism comment may have been a little misunderstood. Iwas refering to more of the Canadian socialism we are privilidged to partake in (free healthcare, the general involvment of the government in citizens "well being")
Another idea I was thinking of would be Canada's education system were internationalized. There are alot of international diploma's that Canada could borrow from (and destroy the private school system-heheehe)

   



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