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GreatBriton @ Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:06 pm

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Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams.

Williams backs bid to disinvest in firms that aid Israeli 'occupiers'
By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
(Filed: 07/02/2006)

The Church of England was on a collision course with Jewish leaders last night after it voted to disinvest in companies profiting from the illegal occupation of Palestinian land.

The General Synod overwhelmingly backed calls for the Church Commissioners to remove funds from such firms, particularly its £2.2 million investment in Caterpillar, which manufactures tractors used to demolish Palestinian homes.

The vote, which was supported by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, is hugely symbolic, even if the Commissioners refuse to comply.

The move will anger the Chief Rabbi and senior clerics such as the former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Carey, who has argued that Israel needs the support of the Church.

But speakers in the debate argued passionately that the Church must be seen to be investing its money for the common good, and not merely for the best financial return.

Keith Malcouronne, from Guildford, said he had received a letter of support for disinvestment from the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, the Rt Rev Riah Hanna Abu El-Assal.

The Bishop of Chelmsford, the Rt Rev John Gladwin, said Christians in Palestine were in despair, and he held the Israeli government to blame.

"Caterpillar may be a company being used for dreadful purposes across the world, but the problem is not Caterpillar. The problem is the situation in the Middle East and the government of Israel," he said.

The Rev Simon Butler, from Southwark, south London, warned Caterpillar that "in our understanding of sin, acts have consequences".

But the Bishop of St Albans, the Rt Rev Christopher Herbert, who is chairman of the Council of Christians and Jews, suggested that the debate was unbalanced.

He said there was a "belief and hope" in the Jewish community that Christians would understand their perspective in such debates, but the Synod had not reflected the complexity of the situation.

The vote will rekindle the row that followed the decision last summer of the Anglican Consultative Council, representing the worldwide Church, to back a report urging it to disinvest in companies that "support the occupation".

Lord Carey said at the time that approval of the report would be "disastrous" for peace efforts in the region.

He said the Israelis already felt traumatised by attacks on them and this would be "another knife in the back".

The Chief Rabbi's office and the Board of Deputies also made strong private representations to Dr Williams.

A spokesman for the Chief Rabbi said last summer that a policy of disinvestment "would not only be misguided, particularly at the present time, but it would have worrying effects on the long-established ties between Jewish and Anglican communities worldwide".

telegraph.co.uk

   



Wullu @ Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:58 am

Nice to know the Church of England supports terrorists. Sure just ignore the fact that the Isrealis are pulling out of dozens of towns and settlements.

Times like this make me so damned happy I am an atheist.

   



VitaminC @ Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:20 am

Wullu Wullu:
Nice to know the Church of England supports terrorists. Sure just ignore the fact that the Isrealis are pulling out of dozens of towns and settlements.

Times like this make me so damned happy I am an atheist.


Not sure that it means they are supporting terrorists.....

I don't have any investments in Caterpillar.....does that make me a terrorist supporter?

But I agree, religions are the cause of the suffering in Palestine and Israel....they need to stay out if there will ever be a solution...

   



BartSimpson @ Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:35 am

Punishing Caterpillar because someone is using their tractors for something the Church of England doesn't like is complete cowardice! Does this apostate church have the BALLS to protest directly to the Israeli government?

The Israeli Army also uses Land Rovers...will the sunzabitches in the CoE disinvest in Land Rover? HUH?????

Sharon owns a Jaguar, gonna disinvest in Jaguar, too? :roll:

Is this spineless liberal day? It sure seems that way.

   



VitaminC @ Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:39 am

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Punishing Caterpillar because someone is using their tractors for something the Church of England doesn't like is complete cowardice! Does this apostate church have the BALLS to protest directly to the Israeli government?

The Israeli Army also uses Land Rovers...will the sunzabitches in the CoE disinvest in Land Rover? HUH?????

Sharon owns a Jaguar, gonna disinvest in Jaguar, too? :roll:

Is this spineless liberal day? It sure seems that way.


I didn't know the Church of England were Liberals......I thought they were right-wing christians.....

   



VitaminC @ Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:41 am

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Punishing Caterpillar because someone is using their tractors for something the Church of England doesn't like is complete cowardice! Does this apostate church have the BALLS to protest directly to the Israeli government?

The Israeli Army also uses Land Rovers...will the sunzabitches in the CoE disinvest in Land Rover? HUH?????

Sharon owns a Jaguar, gonna disinvest in Jaguar, too? :roll:

Is this spineless liberal day? It sure seems that way.


LOL, yeah imagine that.....Almost like boycotting French Fries and French Toast to get back at the French......

Because of course all potatoes used to make french fries must be from France.....LOL

   



Wullu @ Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:05 am

VitaminC VitaminC:
Wullu Wullu:
Nice to know the Church of England supports terrorists. Sure just ignore the fact that the Isrealis are pulling out of dozens of towns and settlements.

Times like this make me so damned happy I am an atheist.


Not sure that it means they are supporting terrorists.....

I don't have any investments in Caterpillar.....does that make me a terrorist supporter?

But I agree, religions are the cause of the suffering in Palestine and Israel....they need to stay out if there will ever be a solution...


If don't think Osama and little buddies are not giving each other the Al Queda version of high fives over that announcement then you are beyond niave.

   



Motorcycleboy @ Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:19 am

VitaminC VitaminC:
I didn't know the Church of England were Liberals......I thought they were right-wing christians.....


You didn't know something about religion? Why am I not surprised? "Right-Wing" Christians as you call them, are a tiny minority in the Christian faith. You guys seem to think "left wing" and "Christian" are mutually exclusive terms. They're not.

The CofE, United Church, etc are quite left leaning. They were strong opponents of Mike Harris and every other sensible government we've ever had in this country. They are also quite well known for taking the side of illegal immigrants ordered deported, the homeless, etc.

In fact, these churches have even allowed Gay Ministers in their parishes and many have blessed same sex marriages. A United Church in Toronto's "Gay Ghetto" on Church St was ministering to gays exclusively as far back as the early eighties.

You Christianphobic types should familiarize yourselves with what you hate before you form your bigotted opinions of it.

   



Motorcycleboy @ Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:22 am

Wullu Wullu:
If don't think Osama and little buddies are not giving each other the Al Queda version of high fives over that announcement then you are beyond niave.


I agree. I was born Anglican, but although I still believe in the basic tenets of Christianity, I have little use for the Church of E. And that's because of shit like this.

I don't know what it is about the left and their fondness for Islamic Expansionism.

I don't recall the last time I saw crowds of Jews running into the streets in Tel Aviv chanting "Death to the West."

Duh, earth to Meakis. Israel is on OUR side!

   



Knoss @ Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:02 pm

Cat should go out of buisiness. Then as the trucks of the owrlkd fall inot disrepair and Archbishop Williams goes hungry because no one can transport food he will know it was his doing.

   



BartSimpson @ Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:43 pm

VitaminC VitaminC:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Punishing Caterpillar because someone is using their tractors for something the Church of England doesn't like is complete cowardice! Does this apostate church have the BALLS to protest directly to the Israeli government?

The Israeli Army also uses Land Rovers...will the sunzabitches in the CoE disinvest in Land Rover? HUH?????

Sharon owns a Jaguar, gonna disinvest in Jaguar, too? :roll:

Is this spineless liberal day? It sure seems that way.


I didn't know the Church of England were Liberals......I thought they were right-wing christians.....


From a left wing atheist point of view this may be possible. For anyone who actually pays attention, they know the CoE to be the liberals that they are.

   



BartSimpson @ Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:45 pm

VitaminC VitaminC:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Punishing Caterpillar because someone is using their tractors for something the Church of England doesn't like is complete cowardice! Does this apostate church have the BALLS to protest directly to the Israeli government?

The Israeli Army also uses Land Rovers...will the sunzabitches in the CoE disinvest in Land Rover? HUH?????

Sharon owns a Jaguar, gonna disinvest in Jaguar, too? :roll:

Is this spineless liberal day? It sure seems that way.


LOL, yeah imagine that.....Almost like boycotting French Fries and French Toast to get back at the French......

Because of course all potatoes used to make french fries must be from France.....LOL


You get my point - it is almost a non-sequitur to punish Caterpillar for the actions of Israel...your examples illustrate the absurdity quite nicely. :wink:

   



VitaminC @ Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:51 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
VitaminC VitaminC:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Punishing Caterpillar because someone is using their tractors for something the Church of England doesn't like is complete cowardice! Does this apostate church have the BALLS to protest directly to the Israeli government?

The Israeli Army also uses Land Rovers...will the sunzabitches in the CoE disinvest in Land Rover? HUH?????

Sharon owns a Jaguar, gonna disinvest in Jaguar, too? :roll:

Is this spineless liberal day? It sure seems that way.


LOL, yeah imagine that.....Almost like boycotting French Fries and French Toast to get back at the French......

Because of course all potatoes used to make french fries must be from France.....LOL


You get my point - it is almost a non-sequitur to punish Caterpillar for the actions of Israel...your examples illustrate the absurdity quite nicely. :wink:


So then how does boycotting Caterpillar make someone a terrorist supporter? That was my point.

   



Numure @ Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:57 pm

The CoE and all other Protestant churchs are quite right wing in Québec...

   



BartSimpson @ Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:03 pm

VitaminC VitaminC:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
VitaminC VitaminC:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Punishing Caterpillar because someone is using their tractors for something the Church of England doesn't like is complete cowardice! Does this apostate church have the BALLS to protest directly to the Israeli government?

The Israeli Army also uses Land Rovers...will the sunzabitches in the CoE disinvest in Land Rover? HUH?????

Sharon owns a Jaguar, gonna disinvest in Jaguar, too? :roll:

Is this spineless liberal day? It sure seems that way.


LOL, yeah imagine that.....Almost like boycotting French Fries and French Toast to get back at the French......

Because of course all potatoes used to make french fries must be from France.....LOL


You get my point - it is almost a non-sequitur to punish Caterpillar for the actions of Israel...your examples illustrate the absurdity quite nicely. :wink:


So then how does boycotting Caterpillar make someone a terrorist supporter? That was my point.


Who gains by this action against Caterpillar and, by proxy, Israel?

The short list is Hamas, the terrorist organziation which now governs Palestine.

   



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