Communism has died a quiet death in China today
Clogeroo @ Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:34 am
$1:
If the British Empire hadnt intervened as much as it did in China, it wouldnt of been Communist at all. Communism was only a means to ride Chinese soil of foreign involvement. Involvement that disolved a long standing united empire, into a feudal country, Chinese against Chinese with foreign powers pulling the strings.
If the British Empire had taken over like I said if it did then I doubt communism would have came much about either or at least would have been suppressed. The British would have given China self-government under a type of parliamentary system rather than letting a total revolt happen and go to communism. If Britain gave Hong Kong a relative amount of freedom they would have probably done so for Mainland China and it would have been harder not to even do so. This is all just what ifs though and I cannot say what would have happened. But Id rather be a British Subject than a communist comrade any day if you ask me. Forgn investment and free market reforms have really just come to China in the last decade or so or have really just started to take off. Mostly likely because they were going broke like the soviets were and rather let the entire system collapse they added western investment and some incentives for people to work on. Not many countries in the British Empire turned to communism after their rule is what I'm saying and I doubt China would have if a system was put in place for the people to use or expand on.
kaetz @ Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:21 pm
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
$1:
If the British Empire hadnt intervened as much as it did in China, it wouldnt of been Communist at all. Communism was only a means to ride Chinese soil of foreign involvement. Involvement that disolved a long standing united empire, into a feudal country, Chinese against Chinese with foreign powers pulling the strings.
If the British Empire had taken over like I said if it did then I doubt communism would have came much about either or at least would have been suppressed. The British would have given China self-government under a type of parliamentary system rather than letting a total revolt happen and go to communism. If Britain gave Hong Kong a relative amount of freedom they would have probably done so for Mainland China and it would have been harder not to even do so. This is all just what ifs though and I cannot say what would have happened. But Id rather be a British Subject than a communist comrade any day if you ask me. Forgn investment and free market reforms have really just come to China in the last decade or so or have really just started to take off. Mostly likely because they were going broke like the soviets were and rather let the entire system collapse they added western investment and some incentives for people to work on. Not many countries in the British Empire turned to communism after their rule is what I'm saying and I doubt China would have if a system was put in place for the people to use or expand on.
yes, sure! and British authorities would never let use children labour!
OMG! it's hard to comment on such posts! simply don't know what to start with and finally question the necessity of commenting itself!
Clogeroo @ Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:49 pm
$1:
yes, sure! and British authorities would never let use children labour!
OMG! it's hard to comment on such posts! simply don't know what to start with and finally question the necessity of commenting itself!
Never even mentioned labour. In any case how many in Hong Kong were?
British rule would have been better for China than the communists if you ask me. Also be better for Canada. If you don't think so great but I do and as I said that is just a "what if" that never really happened.
kaetz @ Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:44 am
mentioning children labour i referred to one of the previous posts of yours. I believe it was you, who refused to buy Happy Meals.
my apologies if i'm wrong!
Numure @ Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:46 am
Tman1 Tman1:
This is a false statement since regardless of British invervention, Mao Zedong still would have wanted his ideas to run the country. Obviously if Zedong lost, then perhaps there wouldn't be any communism in China.
Most likely, but would he of had the support to do so? In a different set of circumstances? I doubt it.
Tman1 @ Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:06 pm
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
If the British Empire had taken over like I said if it did then I doubt communism would have came much about either or at least would have been suppressed. The British would have given China self-government under a type of parliamentary system rather than letting a total revolt happen and go to communism. If Britain gave Hong Kong a relative amount of freedom they would have probably done so for Mainland China and it would have been harder not to even do so. This is all just what ifs though and I cannot say what would have happened. But Id rather be a British Subject than a communist comrade any day if you ask me. Forgn investment and free market reforms have really just come to China in the last decade or so or have really just started to take off. Mostly likely because they were going broke like the soviets were and rather let the entire system collapse they added western investment and some incentives for people to work on. Not many countries in the British Empire turned to communism after their rule is what I'm saying and I doubt China would have if a system was put in place for the people to use or expand on.
I highly doubt the British Empire at any stage of it's life had any means or manpower to "take over" China and subvert it to parliamentary form of government. Indeed, Japan had its troubles simply by taking over the eastern half of China.
It all goes back to the Opium Wars where previously stated that foreign governments did interfere. British won and gained Hong Kong, a particularly effective city with British style governance but unfortuantely, China is vast, it's people seperated. Over 70 recognized ethnicities and many more.
Back to my first paragraph, the way Communism was effective to hold the masses is that it likely apealed to the majority rather than the minority. Foreign governance probably wouldn't be as accepted.
Of course, this whole thing is a bunch of "What If's".
Tman1 @ Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:10 pm
Numure Numure:
Tman1 Tman1:
This is a false statement since regardless of British invervention, Mao Zedong still would have wanted his ideas to run the country. Obviously if Zedong lost, then perhaps there wouldn't be any communism in China.
Most likely, but would he of had the support to do so? In a different set of circumstances? I doubt it.
Maybe, maybe not. You can't doubt what you don't know.
Poisson @ Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:39 pm
Since when China was ever communist? The world history never saw a true communist country, and there never will be one.