First they came for the gays
kaetz @ Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:24 am
oh, yeh! and if i'm lazy enough to wash my dishes and pay you for doing that, you are still not allowed to scream or beat my dog, just as my Caucasian dishwasher wouldn't be if i chose to hire a white local one
Public_Domain @ Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:30 am
Public_Domain @ Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:34 am
kaetz @ Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:41 am
Bill_Hicks Bill_Hicks:
kaetz kaetz:
Bill_Hicks Bill_Hicks:
Brenda Brenda:
Holland is not as religious as Canada is. The largest mosque of Europe is in Zaandam... Holland... There are a little over 1 million muslims in Holland, in a country of 17 million. I understand they all want to pray in their house of god, but the speed they are built in... The way "they" demand them, it is just another annoying thing. And they are making noise. And not only on Sunday morning.
That's a rather High amount.Noise? I can understand resentment and hate over that.
But I personally could care less if there were 7 mosques in this town and to Christian churches. Same with Jewish churches, or Buddist Temples.
But then again, I'm atheist and believe people should be allowed to believe in what they want.
And I don't feel threatened by other religions. If Canada was 25% Muslim, I would not mind. People may say this is destroying countries. But I feel simply that, As long as it's not screwing with Politics and Education, It's alright.
how about that i don't want to wake up with the first call on muslim praying early in the morning? such a simple little thing makes life uncomfortable enough! When i let you stay over at my home and ask you not to scream and not to beat my dog just cause your religion says dogs are bad, you are supposed to follow that... either... go sleep under the bridge!
If people want to show up, they know their time.
Saying this, if Christian Churches could get rid of those annoying bells, that would be fantastic aswell.
can't recall those bells that early, but agree, it was ennoying couple of times. Actually it depends... Russian Orthodoxal Church bells par ex. may sound very beautiful depending on the performer. And there is enough space around the churches too, so people aren't disturbed much if the guy sucks a bit
kaetz @ Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:48 am
Bill_Hicks Bill_Hicks:
kaetz kaetz:
oh, yeh! and if i'm lazy enough to wash my dishes and pay you for doing that, you are still not allowed to scream or beat my dog, just as my Caucasian dishwasher wouldn't be if i chose to hire a white local one
Take a few deep breathes.Before you pull a Kramer and say some stereotypical racist bullshit. We don't need that from anyone. Got a racist agenda? Fantastic. Hate those Sand Ni**ers? Great. We don't need to hear it.
whoa whoa whoa!
wait a sec! you just got me wrong! I wasn't racist but politically incorrect! don't have a problem with the latter though!
My point was actually rather anti-racist
The thing is many start saying that europeans are lazy to do dirty jobs and here come the immigrants, and what i meant was actually that i don't give a damn what you are from the point od race, nationality or whatsoever unless you are subject to the same law AND the same APPLICATION of that very law! Because political correctness (vs tolerance!!!) arfificially complicates the system. That was it! Don't label me as nazi or racist or whatever of that shit hill please!
Public_Domain @ Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:36 am
sasquatch2 @ Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:36 am
At the risk of sounding like a FN---there is a major difference...we were here first. They adapt to us not us to them.
Public_Domain @ Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:38 am
Public_Domain @ Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:39 am
ShepherdsDog @ Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:22 am
As things stand in Europe, there are plenty of eastern Europeans who would gladly fill the roll that the Arabs and Turks did before the Iron Curtain came down. Why not send the societal malcontents back to their cultural hearths and offer the 'undesireable' jobs to other Europeans? The need for a labourers in Europe can be filled by other Europeans, people who share a similar culture(secularism or Christainity) and values, rather than those who are so.......disruptive.
martin14 @ Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:41 am
It is our tolerance that will be our undoing...
Holland has been one of the most tolerant countries in Europe.
I think it is slowly changing; then again, they have one of the highest ratios of non white non Christian immigrant populations in Europe.
There could a very strong backlash there in the near future.
Britain already has major problems with Asians and West Indians (black) being 'ghettoized', and these groups organizing themselves
into racial gangs..
Spain has 250 terrorists either on trial or convicted and serving time..
mostly Morrocans, but some Pakistanis as well.
I think the Eastern European countries are 'safe', for now..
and soon we will have another million Muslims in the new EU colony of Kosovo....
Muslims in the West are becoming much more militant, much more
arrogant, much more demanding.. and i think its a bigger problem in Europe than North America.. for now.
Brenda @ Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:50 am
Bill_Hicks Bill_Hicks:
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
At the risk of sounding like a FN---there is a major difference...we were here first. They adapt to us not us to them.
I wouldn't be able to call myself Canadian if the Natives thought like that when Europe came ashore...There is a huge difference though...
The second and third generation immigrants are the problem nowadays. THe first generation doesn't speak Dutch, so the second and third generation has to do the talking. Can you imagine going to the doctor with your mom, telling him her complaints?
They worked hard to make a better life for themselves, to once be able to go back where they came from. That has been the goal for many. Then they got kids, who grew up in Holland, so they are not going back anymore. They are only going back on holidays. Then they grow old faster than the dutchman does, so at age 50, they can't work anymore... So they collect from the government...
Their children still have to do all their talking, and are having trouble with their culture that ain't western. School is not important, so they drop out and hang around. They will never get a good job, but still have to send money to their home country, because their family relies on that. Why work for close to nothing if the welfare system is sooooo good, it gives you more than minimum wage? Oh, see, we have nephews and nieces. They are sent to Western Europe, to make money. They collect welfare, and marry into the family. The men get their wifes from the Rif-mountains. Girls who have never seen cars before, are coming to live in Western Europe with their husbands, because 15 years ago, that was the deal made. They are never gonna be able to adapt to 17 million people in a country just the size as Vancouver Island. They will not be able to teach their children about Western Europes culture, which is very rich. The kids mostly don't speak the language of the country they live in, before they go to school at age 4.
This is just a part of the problems Holland and Western Europe is having. Of course there are many more, and I tried to just sum up some facts. I have nothing against immigrants, as long as they adapt. Hell, I am one myself...
Oh, did you know (and this is kinda funny) that when I become a CAnadian, I lose my Dutch nationality? Holland doesn't allow dual citizenship, while the Moroccans don't allow their citizens to lose their ciitizenship. They will be dual. The Turks allows for their citizens to give up their nationality, but you don't have to. Funny eh?
stemmer @ Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:40 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Bawer
$1:
In 1998, he moved from New York to Amsterdam, where he felt that he could live better as a gay man in a more liberal society.
In While Europe Slept Bawer makes a strong argument for the danger of Europe's politically correct culture that is allowing and protecting a Muslim fundamentalist movement that preys upon their liberal social systems. Bawer argues that Islamists use welfare and religious grants to fund extremist mosques and support imams with a violent history. Once established in Western European nations the Islamists avoid integration, obey Sharia Law while avoiding the legal systems of their host nations, allowing for the abuse of women, Jews, gays and just about anyone who doesn't worship Allah, he argues. In his conclusion, Bawer argues that Islamists, who intermarry and import only Muslim spouses and who have a rising birthrate, will come to dominate European society within 30 years unless laws are passed to close the loopholes.
In While Europe Slept Bawer makes a strong argument for the danger of Europe's politically correct culture that is allowing and protecting a Muslim fundamentalist movement that preys upon their liberal social systems. Bawer argues that Islamists use welfare and religious grants to fund extremist mosques and support imams with a violent history. Once established in Western European nations the Islamists avoid integration, obey Sharia Law while avoiding the legal systems of their host nations, allowing for the abuse of women, Jews, gays and just about anyone who doesn't worship Allah, he argues. In his conclusion, Bawer argues that Islamists, who intermarry and import only Muslim spouses and who have a rising birthrate, will come to dominate European society within 30 years unless laws are passed to close the loopholes.
Zipperfish @ Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:56 am
Lots of Muslims in my neighbourhood. No gay bashing. So much for that theory.
BartSimpson @ Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:57 am
This is precisely what I call "suicidal liberalism".
Gay liberals advocated rampant immigration as a means of undermining the existing cultures in Europe and here they are getting exactly what they asked for.
And as I have said many, many times before, the muslims will kill the liberals (gay, atheist, pagan, and etc.) before they will kill what they call "people of the book" whom the koran instructs them to make an offer to convert.