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You are just plain wrong. I've read "Origin of the species" have you? Moreover, Ive studied evolution and the scientific method. You have not. Science seeks to explain the observable. That dosen't mean that they don't develop a theory first then set up experiments to deliberately test this. Antibiotics were developed because someone had accidentily had mold contamination on an innoculated petridish and observed the lack of cell growth around the mold colonies.

   

And vague answers and vacuous, non-committal comments that lack any significant substance are what we've come to expect from you.

   

He is not the one denying the empirical observation that the average recorded temperature of the earth has increased since the 1850s.

   

I'm not denying it, I'm just saying that global temps have been far warmer in human history than they are now and the same climatologists who jump to conclusions and say that global warming is caused by pollution were the same fools who said the micro-cooling trend of the late 60's into the early 70's was a lead in to a global cooling crisis caused by the same pollution.

Except that the world did not freeze over by 1980 as they predicted it would unless we stopped burning fossil fuels.

The only conclusion I can see in all of this is that Western Civilization and capitalism cause global warming while Communism and etc. are so wonderful for the environment.

Except that the countries that do the most to preserve the environment are Western, civilized, and capitalist.

The ones that do the least are not.

   

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"I believe in God" = "I believe in evolution"

I would disgaree. Belief in god invokes the supernatural, wheras belief in science necessarily prohibits the supernatural as an explanation for phenomona.

It is perfectly reasonable to say "Based on the evidence presented to me, I conclude that the probability is human-casued emissions of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere are resulting in measurable change to the planetry climate."

It's also perfectly reasonable to blame it on sunspots.

But we do know:

(1) The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is increasing quickly.
(2) Carbon dioxide absorbs infrared radiation (heat). A vessel charged with carbon dioxide will be warmer than one charged with oxygen when exposed to solar radiation.
(3) The average termparature is increasing quickly.

   

Sure. Billionaire socialist and globalist George Soros has donated $23 million dollars to the group since 1997. If he supports it, it can't be good.

   

I think you are mixing politics and science. I'm talking about the science. As a sceintist, I can't dismiss facts just becaus the person presenting them has a different political viewpoint than me. I can dismiss their opinions, but not facts (i.e. empirical observations).

And actually, very few climatologists that work on climate change had anything to do with the "ice age" predictors of the 60s, since they've mostly retired. Also, science progresses, and we have the benfit now of supercomputers and global circulation models that were unavailable to these scientists.

The planet is heating up. I happen to think that we are causing it, but as far as I'm concerned it's a moot point since no one is very interested in dealing with it.

We have to adapt. That means we have to face the fact that Canada is heating up and predict what will happen in various ecosystems. There will be much hardship, but we are a wealthy nation so we should be able to suck it up. There will also be economic opportunity, and economic advantage if we are more prepared for change that our competitors.

   

Calling me an idiot hardly furthers your argument.

The link you provided actually supprts my contention (in a non-scientific way): It says...



So which is it? One moment you're denying that the temperature is increasing, and the next you're providing links stating that the temperature is increasing. You seem very confused on the issue.

   

LOOK THIS IS ALL GW BUSH'S FAULT FOR NOT SIGNING THE KYOTO ACCORD!

ITS ALSO HIS FAULT WHEN I STUBBED MY TOE EARLIER TODAY! I INTEND TO WRITE A STONG WORDED LETTER TO MY CONGRESSWOMAN ABOUT MY TOE!

   

No, I am not. The people promoting the crisis-of-the-week are the ones injecting their politics into the science.

Let's recap, shall we?

Chloroflourocarbons (CFCs) were supposed to be causing the ozone hole over the poles and the Chicken Littles forced the governments of the world to pass laws requiring the costly change from Freon to R134 coolant. Except that CFCs have NOTHING to do with ozone depletion. This was discovered when sunspot activity declined and, gosh-golly-gee, the ozone layer regenerated all on its own. But did the Chicken Littles recant? No. Because the environment was not their goal all along, disrupting society was their goal and they achieved that.

In the 1970's the Chicken Littles said that the then-current cooling trend was going to cause a global ice age by 1980 unless we stopped burning fossil fuels. When the weather started warming after the middle of the decade and then the El Nino event predictably happened then in 1988 they changed their gloom & doom predictions to global warming since the global cooling scam didn't work out all that well.

Lead was removed from gasoline in the 1970's and replaced with ethanol that makes formaldehyde which is more toxic than the lead it replaced. Then that was replaced with MTBE which is just a shade less toxic than gaseous plutonium. Which has now been replaced again by ethanol. Here's a thought, howzabout we just burn gasoline?

Nuclear power bad, right? Except now the environmentalists are saying maybe its okay.

Wind power good, right? No, apparently windmills can disturb micro-climates and cause localised climatological trauma.

Solar is good, right? Except that you need to use incredibly toxic materials to make solar panels.

Sorry you can't see this, but the anti-Western politics is tainting the science.

   

Another lost soul screams from the abyss of cyberspace.

   

hmm just like that I have to agree with zippy....

   

ONE MORE TIME:
Sure, temperatures may be going up by a teensy fraction of ONE degree over the last 150 years. First, let me say, BIG FREAKING DEAL!!! Second, just because the temperature is going up does NOT mean that people are causing it to go up. That big shiny thing in the sky, you know, The SUN?? Do you THINK that might have more to do with climate change than anything else?

Do you THINK AT ALL?

   

In his world we caused everything.

The Earth is 4.5 billion years old we have been here for about 50,000 years been poluting for may be 1,000 years.
To compare thats like saying "that cough I got last week was because of that puff of a cigarette I took back in highschool."
I am gonna say this again get off you elitest asses we are not causing any of these problems. we have only been keeping accurate records for 150 years so what can we know?

   

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