Get Off HIs Back - By Ben Stein 9/4/2005
Jaime_Souviens @ Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:26 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
Well, that's no fun...
What will all of us in this thread post about?
What will all of us in this thread post about?
haha, no I'm not talking specifically about this forum. I'm talking about all the "Research Centres" who have the gall to spin science to promote their opinions on the environment. Same thing is done by religious zealots.
You get a biased study by someone with an agenda, and then a biased counter-study to denounce it. Nobody benefits from this, as we're filled with distrust.
Worse, if you look to the universities to be impartial because their funding is derived from the university endowment, it turns out that the university funding also comes from the donation of 'interested parties'.
We're a planet of liars and shills.
But in the long run, some theories will have predicted the future, and others will prove embarassingly wrong...
How very wrong you are. Some univer sity professors may get funding from "motivated self-interest" groups but most don't. How it works in US universities is not how it works around the world and there is a good amount of concensus of the CO2-global warming connection.
Universities are as poilitical as parliaments.
Your naive belief in the purity of the academy is nearly shocking.
You utter lack of knowledge is actually par for the course. I doubt very much you have experience with any univeristy beyond your own. They may be political but it is not only those scientists that are supporting the CO2-human-global warming connection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific ... ate_change
In any case your own words work against you. Your scientists that deny the GM-CO2-human connection have the same political strikes against them and they are in the minority. Don't waste my time with some strawman tactic that at one point the "majority" of scholars believed the earth was flat. We have the evidence to back up the claim.
That the earth is flat? Go for it.
DerbyX @ Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:30 pm
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
Well, that's no fun...
What will all of us in this thread post about?
What will all of us in this thread post about?
haha, no I'm not talking specifically about this forum. I'm talking about all the "Research Centres" who have the gall to spin science to promote their opinions on the environment. Same thing is done by religious zealots.
You get a biased study by someone with an agenda, and then a biased counter-study to denounce it. Nobody benefits from this, as we're filled with distrust.
Worse, if you look to the universities to be impartial because their funding is derived from the university endowment, it turns out that the university funding also comes from the donation of 'interested parties'.
We're a planet of liars and shills.
But in the long run, some theories will have predicted the future, and others will prove embarassingly wrong...
How very wrong you are. Some univer sity professors may get funding from "motivated self-interest" groups but most don't. How it works in US universities is not how it works around the world and there is a good amount of concensus of the CO2-global warming connection.
Universities are as poilitical as parliaments.
Your naive belief in the purity of the academy is nearly shocking.
You utter lack of knowledge is actually par for the course. I doubt very much you have experience with any univeristy beyond your own. They may be political but it is not only those scientists that are supporting the CO2-human-global warming connection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific ... ate_change
In any case your own words work against you. Your scientists that deny the GM-CO2-human connection have the same political strikes against them and they are in the minority. Don't waste my time with some strawman tactic that at one point the "majority" of scholars believed the earth was flat. We have the evidence to back up the claim.
That the earth is flat? Go for it.
PluggyRug @ Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:31 am
The earth is flat.
I stepped of the edge and fell into here 
BartSimpson @ Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:43 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
The earth is flat.
I stepped of the edge and fell into here
I stepped of the edge and fell into here
The earth is not flat. It is a rhomboid with a didecahedronal facet on its obverse.
DerbyX @ Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:30 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
The earth is flat.
I stepped of the edge and fell into here
I stepped of the edge and fell into here
The earth is not flat. It is a rhomboid with a didecahedronal facet on its obverse.
The world is flat and its in the shape of a disk that sits on top of 4 great elephants which stand on the back of the great sea turtle A'tuin.
BartSimpson @ Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:50 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
The world is flat and its in the shape of a disk that sits on top of 4 great elephants which stand on the back of the great sea turtle A'tuin.
I am humbled by your vast knowledge of the intricacies of the universe!
(And we'll both laugh at the fools who think Atlas holds the world upon his shoulders!)
![[laughat]](./images/smilies/smilie_auslachen.gif "laughing at")
PluggyRug @ Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:04 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DerbyX DerbyX:
The world is flat and its in the shape of a disk that sits on top of 4 great elephants which stand on the back of the great sea turtle A'tuin.
I am humbled by your vast knowledge of the intricacies of the universe!
(And we'll both laugh at the fools who think Atlas holds the world upon his shoulders!)
It's not Atlas...it's Tarzan
![[?]](./images/smilies/confused.gif "Confused")
DerbyX @ Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:24 am
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DerbyX DerbyX:
The world is flat and its in the shape of a disk that sits on top of 4 great elephants which stand on the back of the great sea turtle A'tuin.
I am humbled by your vast knowledge of the intricacies of the universe!
(And we'll both laugh at the fools who think Atlas holds the world upon his shoulders!)
It's not Atlas...it's Tarzan
Tarzan? I don't understand that reference. Bart was refering to the greek mythology of Atlas supporting the world (where the term "atlas" as refering to the world came from).
BartSimpson @ Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:14 am
DerbyX DerbyX:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DerbyX DerbyX:
The world is flat and its in the shape of a disk that sits on top of 4 great elephants which stand on the back of the great sea turtle A'tuin.
I am humbled by your vast knowledge of the intricacies of the universe!
(And we'll both laugh at the fools who think Atlas holds the world upon his shoulders!)
It's not Atlas...it's Tarzan
Tarzan? I don't understand that reference. Bart was refering to the greek mythology of Atlas supporting the world (where the term "atlas" as refering to the world came from).
Okay, we'll laugh at the fools who think Tarzan...
PluggyRug @ Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:04 am
DerbyX DerbyX:
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DerbyX DerbyX:
The world is flat and its in the shape of a disk that sits on top of 4 great elephants which stand on the back of the great sea turtle A'tuin.
I am humbled by your vast knowledge of the intricacies of the universe!
(And we'll both laugh at the fools who think Atlas holds the world upon his shoulders!)
It's not Atlas...it's Tarzan
Tarzan? I don't understand that reference. Bart was refering to the greek mythology of Atlas supporting the world (where the term "atlas" as refering to the world came from).
Maybe humour
noctame @ Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:36 am
even though we have the right to believe what we want to in terms of the environment, we should still be concerned that our activities are changing the chemical makeup of the atmosphere.
-paraphrasal anonymous
I won't blame George G Bush for those things listed in Ben Stein's monologue, but i will blame him for his apthetic approach to a global problem. he could be the president with a backbone, but he sin't interested.
American @ Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:41 am
noctame noctame:
even though we have the right to believe what we want to in terms of the environment, we should still be concerned that our activities are changing the chemical makeup of the atmosphere.
-paraphrasal anonymous
I won't blame George G Bush for those things listed in Ben Stein's monologue, but i will blame him for his apthetic approach to a global problem. he could be the president with a backbone, but he sin't interested.
-paraphrasal anonymous
I won't blame George G Bush for those things listed in Ben Stein's monologue, but i will blame him for his apthetic approach to a global problem. he could be the president with a backbone, but he sin't interested.
He does have a backbone, he's telling Kyoto to go to hell. Now other countries are beginning to question Kyoto and even back out. We'll sign Kyoto when Asia stops sending over flus.
BartSimpson @ Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:02 am
American American:
noctame noctame:
even though we have the right to believe what we want to in terms of the environment, we should still be concerned that our activities are changing the chemical makeup of the atmosphere.
-paraphrasal anonymous
I won't blame George G Bush for those things listed in Ben Stein's monologue, but i will blame him for his apthetic approach to a global problem. he could be the president with a backbone, but he sin't interested.
-paraphrasal anonymous
I won't blame George G Bush for those things listed in Ben Stein's monologue, but i will blame him for his apthetic approach to a global problem. he could be the president with a backbone, but he sin't interested.
He does have a backbone, he's telling Kyoto to go to hell. Now other countries are beginning to question Kyoto and even back out. We'll sign Kyoto when Asia stops sending over flus.
I don't want the USA to join into Kyoto today, tomorrow, or ever no matter what else is going on.
Kyoto does NOTHING to reduce pollution. It just moves the pollution to countries that are not affected by Kyoto and it transfers our money to third world cesspools.
Speaking of...is Canada going to pay their Kyoto bill this year? I'm hearing it will be around CDN$2billion.
noctame @ Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:20 pm
...it isn't what kyoto entails, its what kyoto represents. I dont see any talk about the useless montreal protocol that the us jumped into. It was supposed to "save" the ozone, but we now strongly suspect that CFCS have nothing to do with the ozone layer.
What kyoto represents is a movement towards healthy indstry. If the us wont sign until asian countries clean up, then how come they wont help those asian countries clean up?
reason? money. they make money off of dirty earning.